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Reply #105 - May 26^th, 2012 at 5:04pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

Is hard. With Israelis, it is ones in tank who fire at everything. They fire like a party of drunken sailor.

In parts of Gaza - such as where I am talking - it is not possible to have tanks come through this zone.
Both too small streets and also that the Hamas terrorists have anti-tank launchers.

Much more safe to draw fire and then call in IAF.

Not much safe for peoples in buildings. Why you can't use tank?

Urban area. Narrow streets.

Instead you call planes to destroy whole neighbourhood with phosphorus bomb. Much safer.

Israel still uses Amerikan blitzkreig tactics from 1960s. Even Amerika no longer use this strategy. It must deal with guerilla tactics, light weapons, IEDs, suicide bomber. Also, war is now fought in media.

Israeli strategy cause high civilian deaths. This breeds more anger. Anger is not terrorism, it is war. Israel is not fighting terrorism, it is fighting a war. Each dead mother or child has a son, a brother, an uncle or father.

Israel is intoxicated by its Amerikan weapons and divine mission.

So what would you do different to me this time?
It was too dangerous and we had no cover fire.

You can do nothing. You must join army, fight war.

Only very religious Jew can avoid the army service.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #106 - May 26^th, 2012 at 5:07pm JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:00pm: grey, avram = probably andrei hicks, or some other alt It really makes no difference, he's calling it like it is. Actually I think he's genuine. He talks the talk of most Israelis.
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Reply #107 - May 26^th, 2012 at 5:20pm

Grey wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

grey, avram = probably andrei hicks, or some other alt

It really makes no difference, he's calling it like it is. Actually I think he's genuine. He talks the talk of most Israelis.

Avram is avram. hicks is more insulting in manner.

I cant believe the yanks (and australia too!) support this terrorism. The israelis seem to want the palestinians to just lay down and die (behave).

Avram was in the military - he had to do what he was ordered. The problem seems to be that he thinks it is right. He did the right thing to go into gaza and call down an airstrike on 2 large apartment buildings. He actually seems to believe he was acting in self defense! This is very hard to understand.

Israel needs to be stopped. Obviously if what avram says is true then the 2 state solution isnt going to work. We are going to have to just withdraw all support for israels atrocities and maybe protect the palestinians.

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Reply #108 - May 26^th, 2012 at 5:24pm

I do have to point out though that I am totally disgusted by his attitude. Especially towards rachel corrie. It demonstrates that its not just the palestinians that these jews hate. They think they are gods chosen ppl and they can do whatever they want. This is also (i think) what the yanks etc think too that they are gods chosen so have to be allowed to do whatever they want. Its disgusting.

Avram you do realise you killed children and families in those apartments? Innocent ppl?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #109 - May 26^th, 2012 at 5:28pm Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 2:04pm: My friendy, before UN and Mother England gave Israel a state, there was. And so Political Puppet and SOB were pro-Zionist then, yes?
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Reply #110 - May 26^th, 2012 at 5:52pm

There would be no settlers and no ongoing conflict if the Arabs had accepted Israel in 1948.

Israel in 1948 was even tinier than today.
If you were a reasonable Arab person you would have looked at the map and see the Arab land area (13 million square kms, almost twice the size of Australia) and say, well, the Jews do have a claim to Judea and Samaria and it's only about 15 thousand sq Kms (a QUARTER of Tasmania and nut much less than the land area of Greater Sydney). We can work with them, thy are smart, they ill bring prosperity to the region. Let them have it.

They would have said precisely that if it was anyone but the Jews. For the Jews to have anything that was once fully controlled by Islam is just not something the Islamic mind can process.

There would not have been 1967 war leading to the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank or 1973 war and all the rest of it.

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Reply #111 - May 26^th, 2012 at 5:58pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

I do have to point out though that I am totally disgusted by his attitude. Especially towards rachel corrie. It demonstrates that its not just the palestinians that these jews hate. They think they are gods chosen ppl and they can do whatever they want. This is also (i think) what the yanks etc think too that they are gods chosen so have to be allowed to do whatever they want. Its disgusting.

Avram you do realise you killed children and families in those apartments? Innocent ppl?

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I did not kill anyone innocent. That is fact.
I am telling you 100% honesty I was in group of 4 who come under heavy fire in Gaza City and we are very lucky to not be hurt. Gunfire was very surprising and we had no option.
Tanks would not fit down streets and we could not go ourselves as we had no cover.

So you tell me what other choice was open to us?

I like Australia but I realise in this 5 months you have no idea what life is in Israel conflict .

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96294 Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #112 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:01pm Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:28pm: Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 2:04pm: My friendy, before UN and Mother England gave Israel a state, there was. And so Political Puppet and SOB were pro-Zionist then, yes? Yes. In 1946 these men were Zionists.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #113 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:02pm Grey the rocket launches from Gaza are from mobile units. There is 30 min response time to raise F-16 strike craft for response. There is not time so the 2nd best answer is to remove their capability before they strike than after.
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Reply #114 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:19pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

I do have to point out though that I am totally disgusted by his attitude. Especially towards rachel corrie. It demonstrates that its not just the palestinians that these jews hate. They think they are gods chosen ppl and they can do whatever they want. This is also (i think) what the yanks etc think too that they are gods chosen so have to be allowed to do whatever they want. Its disgusting.

Avram you do realise you killed children and families in those apartments? Innocent ppl?

SOB

I did not kill anyone innocent. That is fact.
I am telling you 100% honesty I was in group of 4 who come under heavy fire in Gaza City and we are very lucky to not be hurt. Gunfire was very surprising and we had no option.
Tanks would not fit down streets and we could not go ourselves as we had no cover.

So you tell me what other choice was open to us?

I like Australia but I realise in this 5 months you have no idea what life is in Israel conflict .

How would you know if you killed anyone innocent? You blew up 2 large apartment buildings! You @ least made them homeless. I suppose the seriously injured ones could live @ the hospital.

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So you tell me what other choice was open to us?

Not being there maybe?

I have seen some bad stuff. Really bad stuff. But I expect gaza is worse than anything I have seen. Ppl living in fear all the time that jews are going to suddenly attack them for no reason. Sometimes after months of nothing. Ppl in west bank their wells destroyed their homes destroyed. There lives destroyed.

No it was prolly not your choice to go there - it was your commander or whoever but you seem to agree with it which makes you just as guilty imo. Those are people. Children. Families. How can you say nobody innocent was killed?

Was it you a couple weeks ago calling them "things"? Like they arent human? I cant remember. I hope it wasnt you.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #115 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:24pm No I did not call them things. In my time of border checkpoint control I would always show respect to Palestinian women and their children also when I receive complaints from them on west bank about settlers I would listen to them - and help them.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #116 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:25pm Tell me, why do you place blame to me for the air strike but not the people who fire from it?
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Reply #117 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:28pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Tell me, why do you place blame to me for the air strike but not the people who fire from it?

Because you agreed with it.

You shouldn't have been there in the first place imo. Attacking a city and dwelling places of civilians because of something that happened (prolly long ago) in another area is just wrong.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #118 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:30pm If you attack Israeli soldiers you must expect a reply. That is what happened. We do not run away.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #119 - May 26^th, 2012 at 6:36pm I also said the death of the American lady was sad to hear. But she should not have been there at all. It was a sad story.
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