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Reply #135 - May 27th, 2012 at 12:13pm  
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 7:51am:
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 8:54pm:
I do not agree.


Are you going to elaborate on that?

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Yes the mobile units that are sent that grey says are picked up by Israeli defence system.
However immediately on launching they are moved and then they go straight to dense population area.
To take apache gunship there is a scramble time of around 10 minutes, less time than the f-16 response but by this time they are in zones where reply fire and population area makes it dangerous.

Bear in mind Israel does not control Gaza and therefore it must be planned to attack.

F-16 attack hits the zone where they went, it send a bigger message that Israel will respond with greater fire each time and also is less dangerous.
We can not just send apaches. If you have ever go to Gaza you will see why.

Cast Lead purpose was to clear away potentials for attack. Our instruction at start was to seek Hamas militants and kill them.
This came from very top.
You know we had personal visit of good luck each unit by Prime Minister?
It was very important mission to secure Israeli security.

I agreed 100% with Cast Lead and I do support 2 state solution.
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Reply #136 - May 27th, 2012 at 12:14pm  
Terrorists deserve the gas chamber
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Reply #137 - May 27th, 2012 at 12:20pm  
Whether the HAMAS org. is a result of 'blowback' or came into being as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood is a moot question since it certainly came into existence as a result of Israeli actions that pushed the radicalisation of the Palestinian people.

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your vision is clouded

from another perspective the mossad started

and continues to fund hamas

just like alqaeda = cia

clear reality proves this

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Reply #138 - May 27th, 2012 at 12:26pm  
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:14pm:
Terrorists deserve the gas chamber


It is Hamas who fires rockets at our women and children .

Grey comments that Hamas tries to stop it?
Please Hamas mission is destruction of Israel.
They are liars and terrorists and we will strangle Gaza until they are no longer in charge.
The people must realise this.
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Reply #139 - May 27th, 2012 at 12:28pm  
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:14pm:
Terrorists deserve the gas chamber


It is Hamas who fires rockets at our women and children .

Grey comments that Hamas tries to stop it?
Please Hamas mission is destruction of Israel.
They are liars and terrorists and we will strangle Gaza until they are no longer in charge.
The people must realise this.

So if this makes someone a terrorist then clearly you are a terrorist.

Hamas is in defence. Remember that we use words by their dictionary definition here in Australia.
I would support Israel if they were in the other position but they are not they are in the aggressor/terrorist position.
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Reply #140 - May 27th, 2012 at 12:40pm  
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Bear in mind Israel does not control Gaza and therefore it must be planned to attack.


israel does not control gaza. An attack is an attack.

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However immediately on launching they are moved and then they go straight to dense population area.


And this is the excuse for killing civilians  - because the person you are after may be among them.

@ least you are consistent. This is the same as the attitude towards rachel corrie imo.

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I agreed 100% with Cast Lead and I do support 2 state solution.


You put unreasonable demands on the 2 state solution though.

you obviously do not see what it is thats so disgusting about your attitude (and that of the israeli position in general). The attitude that you are better somehow than anyone else and so killing them is okay. The idea that if they are there then they must want to die.

Imagine a lil kid swinging his arms around and walking towards you. If you dont get out of his way its your fault if you get hit.

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Reply #141 - May 27th, 2012 at 1:30pm  
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:14pm:
Terrorists deserve the gas chamber


It is Hamas who fires rockets at our women and children .

Grey comments that Hamas tries to stop it?
Please Hamas mission is destruction of Israel.
They are liars and terrorists and we will strangle Gaza until they are no longer in charge.
The people must realise this.


What they realise is that a bunch of Jews from Europe decided to take their land and with some help from Britain and the USA they took it and any chance they get they take more.

What you realise is that people who don't give up aren't defeated, and if they were you could have more land and do what you like with them.

What everybody else realises is that this makes Zionists look like complete and utter bastards because they are.

To change the situation somebody must change their ways. The Palestinians wont change because they are cornered. Zionists can change their ways either by going for genocide and wiping out everybody else or making an attractive peace proposal. Doing nothing isn't an option because the sand is running through the hourglass. Sooner rather than later it will start running the other way.
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Reply #142 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:02pm  
I support peace. I always have support for peace.

You may not have read several times on here I have said how I have behaved to both sides of conflict.
Making sure that palestinians were safer and listen to their problems when they come to me and my comrades when we are call to disputes with settlers in Hebron.

I do support 2 state resolution.

I support stable, peaceful stable borders Israel.
A Palestinians control of West Bank with only current number of Jewish settlements keep under Israel control. No more settlements.

I do not want Israel in Gaza. I myself, now I am reservist when I return, do not ever want to go into Gaza or see Gaza City ever again.
But no Hamas. They must not support Hamas if they want peace and stable border with no embargo.

Grey, understand I am moderate young Israeli. The future for our country, the young generation was wants to live in peace with the Arabs but also who wants a strong Israel.
We will not accept rocket attacks, we will not accept nuclear Iran, we will not accept suicide bombers.

But if the Arabs are preapred, then we too are for peace or war. For them they must choose.
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Reply #143 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:04pm  
Can all you whining leftards give your land back to the Aboriginals now please?
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Reply #144 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:09pm  
What they realise is that a bunch of Jews from Europe decided to take their land and with some help from Britain


What they realise is that a bunch of Jews Poms from Europe England decided to take their land.

So an Aboriginal told me.
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Reply #145 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:10pm  
In my 3 years in the army I was in situation which would see so many critics on here frighten to death and run away for the hills.

Not the Vietnam Veteran Aussies, from what I see - they too will know what I am talking.

Call to situation West Bank, screaming Palestinian civilians to you, gun fire surround our armored vehicles, large apartment blocks where it come from, minimum aerial support cover and little cover for us in the open.

What would you do?
Will you still be so strong supporter of these people?
Would you still be happy to cheer them when they use their women and children to draw you into the open to open fire on you?

You want to know why I hold my views? They are built from experience. From being shot to, from having Palestinians make signs to you from distance of your throat to be cut, from having petrol bomb throw to your position, from see them push their children to come and throw rocks and strones at you.

Understand the situation and from thousands and thousands of kms away how do you know???

How can you even possibly know what happens unless you watch the TV and then think - how do you know what is real and what is what the TV producer decides you see?
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Reply #146 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:41pm  
The intensity of battle does not change a think Avram.
You are a terrorist
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Reply #147 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:46pm  
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I support peace. I always have support for peace.


Avram if you supported peace you wouldn't support that gaza raid

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You may not have read several times on here I have said how I have behaved to both sides of conflict.
Making sure that palestinians were safer and listen to their problems when they come to me and my comrades when we are call to disputes with settlers in Hebron.


Helping a couple women with directions doesnt absolve you of thinking its okay to kill lots of ppl.

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A Palestinians control of West Bank with only current number of Jewish settlements keep under Israel control. No more settlements.


This is the problem avram. And you are same as your masters in this attitude. There will never be peace when you want this kind of unreasonable deal.

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Can all you whining leftards give your land back to the Aboriginals now please?


You are so stupidly cryptic that no-one even knows who you are trying to insult there.

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Not the Vietnam Veteran Aussies, from what I see - they too will know what I am talking.


Appealing for help from vietnam veterans isnt going to help you. Israel is being a bully.

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What would you do?


How about NOT raid them? NOT go into their city and kill their civilians? How about that?

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Understand the situation and from thousands and thousands of kms away how do you know???


Apart from the usual sources we know because you are telling us. The fact that we are still arguing with you should make you look @ your beliefs in this regard. Could we be right? Is it possible that israel is a terrorist entity?

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Reply #148 - May 27th, 2012 at 2:58pm  
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 2:46pm:
Apart from the usual sources we know because you are telling us. The fact that we are still arguing with you should make you look @ your beliefs in this regard. Could we be right? Is it possible that israel is a terrorist entity?

SOB



No.
And comments at the UN on the Resolution vote show this


The United States used its veto to prevent the adoption of a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning Israeli military operations in the Gaza Strip.
Ten countries supported the resolution, with four countries - The United Kingdom, Denmark, Japan and Slovakia abstaining.

In explaining the U.S. veto, the U.S. representative said that the text did not display an even-handed characterization of the events in Gaza and was politically motivated.
Nor did it advance the cause of Israeli-Palestinian peace to which the United States aspired and for which it was working assiduously.

While joining other Council members in deeply regretting the loss of life in Beit Hanoun, he noted that Israeli authorities had admitted that the incident had been a mistake and intended to conduct an investigation into the events there, which he hoped would be completed expeditiously.

He said, however, that he was disturbed by the language of the resolution that was in many places biased against Israel.

For example, one of the preambular paragraphs of the text that the United States refused to support equated military operations of Israel that were legal with the firing of rockets into the territory of Israel that was terrorism.

As a result the proposed Resolution failed, despite receiving 95% nations support.

Resolution end result - 10 Yes, 4 Abstain, 1 No (USA Veto)
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Reply #149 - May 27th, 2012 at 3:01pm  
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