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Reply #180 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:20pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Really he only cares about furthering america. When he came to oz he was just making sure the new aussie govt would follow the rules. Stuck a few troops in darwin to seal it. A symbol of our compliance. Well so he should care about his own country but why the heck dont OUR pollies care about OUR country?

As he made clear during his Nobel peace prize acceptance speech, he is the executive head of state of the US first before he is anything else.

So the state of the US must not be about the people.

????

Obama made plain what his rightful first duty is - an affirmation of the oath of office that he swore on his inauguration - the oath that prevails over all others - to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of [his] ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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Reply #181 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:21pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Really he only cares about furthering america. When he came to oz he was just making sure the new aussie govt would follow the rules. Stuck a few troops in darwin to seal it. A symbol of our compliance. Well so he should care about his own country but why the heck dont OUR pollies care about OUR country?

As he made clear during his Nobel peace prize acceptance speech, he is the executive head of state of the US first before he is anything else.

So the state of the US must not be about the people.

????

Obama made plain what his rightful first duty is - an affirmation of the oath of office that he swore on his inauguration - the oath that prevails over all others - to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of [his] ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

And you think he followed his oath?

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Reply #182 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

So when are you leftards going to give back your land to the Aboriginals?

I answered you last time you posted that crap. Scroll back and find it lazy bugger.

SOB

It wasn't an answer.

If the Jews are to give land back to Palestinians, then by that logic Australians ought to give the land back to the Abo's.
Why not take the lead and give your own bit of land back to some Abo's?

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Reply #183 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Really he only cares about furthering america. When he came to oz he was just making sure the new aussie govt would follow the rules. Stuck a few troops in darwin to seal it. A symbol of our compliance. Well so he should care about his own country but why the heck dont OUR pollies care about OUR country?

As he made clear during his Nobel peace prize acceptance speech, he is the executive head of state of the US first before he is anything else.

So the state of the US must not be about the people.

????

Obama made plain what his rightful first duty is - an affirmation of the oath of office that he swore on his inauguration - the oath that prevails over all others - to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of [his] ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

And you think he followed his oath?

While he preserves, protects and defends the Constitution of the United States (which he has), then yes.

If he has 'furthered' America then he has acted in the interests of the US and therefore has acted appropriately as the US executive head of state.

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Reply #184 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Really he only cares about furthering america. When he came to oz he was just making sure the new aussie govt would follow the rules. Stuck a few troops in darwin to seal it. A symbol of our compliance. Well so he should care about his own country but why the heck dont OUR pollies care about OUR country?

As he made clear during his Nobel peace prize acceptance speech, he is the executive head of state of the US first before he is anything else.

So the state of the US must not be about the people.

????

Obama made plain what his rightful first duty is - an affirmation of the oath of office that he swore on his inauguration - the oath that prevails over all others - to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of [his] ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

And you think he followed his oath?

While he preserves, protects and defends the Constitution of the United States (which he has), then yes.

If he has 'furthered' America then he has acted in the interests of the US and therefore has acted appropriately as the US executive head of state.

Sorry but no one actually believes that Obama has preserved, protected or defended the constitution.
He clearly has not furthered the US either.

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Reply #185 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:38pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

So when are you leftards going to give back your land to the Aboriginals?

I answered you last time you posted that crap. Scroll back and find it lazy bugger.

SOB

It wasn't an answer.

If the Jews are to give land back to Palestinians, then by that logic Australians ought to give the land back to the Abo's.
Why not take the lead and give your own bit of land back to some Abo's?

Well the difference would be that this happened in the last century and that most of us acknowledge that this land just not belong to us.
Anyway your argument doesn't prove anything other then that you are an ignorant bigot on both topics.

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Reply #186 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:41pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

Sorry but no one actually believes that Obama has preserved, protected or defended the constitution.

Really? You speak for every American? If he has not, then the Congress would have grounds to impeach him. Is the Congress preparing to impeach Obama?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

He clearly has not furthered the US either.

Placing troops on foreign soil has been an act of every US President since WW2. Clearly the US prefers to enforce its hegemony through military presence and the US President of the day obliges.

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Reply #187 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:44pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

Sorry but no one actually believes that Obama has preserved, protected or defended the constitution.

Really? You speak for every American? If he has not, then the Congress would have grounds to impeach him. Is the Congress preparing to impeach Obama?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

He clearly has not furthered the US either.

Placing troops on foreign soil has been an act of every US President since WW2. Clearly the US prefers to enforce its hegemony and the US President of the day obliges.

Show me an American not in the mainstream media who actually thinks he has done that stuff? The majority of Americans do not support Obama and understand that he does not follow the constitution. I can show you dozens of examples but most of them I have already posted on this site and I think you have seen them.
Why would you use the congress as an example of innocence, clearly they are just as corrupt.

The point is that he is just exactly like every other president, because just like them he doesnt actually have a say on those important issues.

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Reply #188 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

Sorry but no one actually believes that Obama has preserved, protected or defended the constitution.

Really? You speak for every American? If he has not, then the Congress would have grounds to impeach him. Is the Congress preparing to impeach Obama?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

He clearly has not furthered the US either.

Placing troops on foreign soil has been an act of every US President since WW2. Clearly the US prefers to enforce its hegemony and the US President of the day obliges.

Show me an American not in the mainstream media who actually thinks he has done that stuff? The majority of Americans do not support Obama and understand that he does not follow the constitution. I can show you dozens of examples but most of them I have already posted on this site and I think you have seen them.
Why would you use the congress as an example of innocence, clearly they are just as corrupt.

The point is that he is just exactly like every other president, because just like them he doesnt actually have a say on those important issues.

So what are the articles of impeachment?

There is a majority of rabid republicans in the Congress that would happily support impeachment if the articles were tabled.

If Obama is exactly like every other US President (with the exception of Andrew Johnson, Nixon and Clinton) then he is not suspected of breaching his duty as identified in the oath of office.

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Reply #189 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:48pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

Sorry but no one actually believes that Obama has preserved, protected or defended the constitution.

Really? You speak for every American? If he has not, then the Congress would have grounds to impeach him. Is the Congress preparing to impeach Obama?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

He clearly has not furthered the US either.

Placing troops on foreign soil has been an act of every US President since WW2. Clearly the US prefers to enforce its hegemony and the US President of the day obliges.

Show me an American not in the mainstream media who actually thinks he has done that stuff? The majority of Americans do not support Obama and understand that he does not follow the constitution. I can show you dozens of examples but most of them I have already posted on this site and I think you have seen them.
Why would you use the congress as an example of innocence, clearly they are just as corrupt.

The point is that he is just exactly like every other president, because just like them he doesnt actually have a say on those important issues.

So what are the articles of impeachment?

How about you just search 'impeach obama' on any decent search engine.
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There is a majority of rabid republicans in the Congress that would happily support impeachment if the articles were tabled.

Oh so you just support Obama cause he is a 'leftie' right?
For one example (and I can keep giving more if you dont respond) do you support his indefinite detention bill and would you be happy for it to be passed in Australia?

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Reply #190 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:51pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

So when are you leftards going to give back your land to the Aboriginals?

I answered you last time you posted that crap. Scroll back and find it lazy bugger.

SOB

It wasn't an answer.

If the Jews are to give land back to Palestinians, then by that logic Australians ought to give the land back to the Abo's.
Why not take the lead and give your own bit of land back to some Abo's?

Well the difference would be that this happened in the last century and that most of us acknowledge that this land just not belong to us.
Anyway your argument doesn't prove anything other then that you are an ignorant bigot on both topics.

Bit of a cop out. If you acknowledge it's not yours, then give your piece back. That would be the consistent position. And why should it matter if it was last century? (which is wrong, try 3 centuries)

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Reply #191 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

So when are you leftards going to give back your land to the Aboriginals?

I answered you last time you posted that crap. Scroll back and find it lazy bugger.

SOB

It wasn't an answer.

If the Jews are to give land back to Palestinians, then by that logic Australians ought to give the land back to the Abo's.
Why not take the lead and give your own bit of land back to some Abo's?

Well the difference would be that this happened in the last century and that most of us acknowledge that this land just not belong to us.
Anyway your argument doesn't prove anything other then that you are an ignorant bigot on both topics.

Bit of a cop out. If you acknowledge it's not yours, then give your piece back. That would be the consistent position. And why should it matter if it was last century? (which is wrong, try 3 centuries)

What if I rent?
I would be happy to give my piece back if everyone was, not much use in just me doing it.

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Reply #192 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

How about you just search 'impeach obama' on any decent search engine.

Bloody hell! you really are 12 years old!

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There is a majority of rabid republicans in the Congress that would happily support impeachment if the articles were tabled.

Oh so you just support Obama cause he is a 'leftie' right?
For one example (and I can keep giving more if you dont respond) do you support his indefinite detention bill and would you be happy for it to be passed in Australia?

Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during his tenure as US President citing the national interest. Bush and Obama have cited national security. It is not necessarily a failure to uphold his oath if a US President makes unpopular decisions.

What happens or doesn't happen in Australia is not the responsibility of the US President.

What some young Australians don't seem to be able to comprehend is that the US President has no obligation to defend the interests of Australia.

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Reply #193 - May 27^th, 2012 at 4:58pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

So when are you leftards going to give back your land to the Aboriginals?

I answered you last time you posted that crap. Scroll back and find it lazy bugger.

SOB

It wasn't an answer.

If the Jews are to give land back to Palestinians, then by that logic Australians ought to give the land back to the Abo's.
Why not take the lead and give your own bit of land back to some Abo's?

Well the difference would be that this happened in the last century and that most of us acknowledge that this land just not belong to us.
Anyway your argument doesn't prove anything other then that you are an ignorant bigot on both topics.

Bit of a cop out. If you acknowledge it's not yours, then give your piece back. That would be the consistent position. And why should it matter if it was last century? (which is wrong, try 3 centuries)

What if I rent?
I would be happy to give my piece back if everyone was, not much use in just me doing it.

If you rent, then allow them to take over your unit/house. Why should it matter if everyone else was doing it when you have a principled stance on this issue? Can Israelis use that reasoning too?

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Reply #194 - May 27^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

How about you just search 'impeach obama' on any decent search engine.

Bloody hell! you really are 12 years old!

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

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There is a majority of rabid republicans in the Congress that would happily support impeachment if the articles were tabled.

Oh so you just support Obama cause he is a 'leftie' right?
For one example (and I can keep giving more if you dont respond) do you support his indefinite detention bill and would you be happy for it to be passed in Australia?

Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during his tenure as US President citing the national interest. Bush and Obama have cited national security. It is not necessarily a failure to uphold his oath if a US President makes unpopular decisions.

What happens or doesn't happen in Australia is not the responsibility of the US President.

What some young Australians don't seem to be able to comprehend is that the US President has no obligation to defend the interests of Australia.

Yes I am the child here because clearly I just believe everything I am told about the issue.

I think you will find that the indefinite detention bill (among many other things) do violate the constitution. And it is a really basic part.

I wasn't saying he would implement it, I am just asking if you would actually support these things if they affected you.

Do you even know what the indefinite detention bill entails?

When did I ever say that?

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