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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #225 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:35pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

My position has always been that the killing should stop. The settlers on the west bank need to leave in order for the killing to stop because they are doing a lot of the razing and murders.

Address that idiot.

SOB

I am trying to understand why you're not consistent in your stance.
Why is it one set of rules for Palestinians and another for Aboriginals? You said something about "theres(sic) no ongoing terrorism." Perhaps you could expand on that?

I keep repeating myself how is that not consistant?

My position has always been that the killing should stop. The settlers on the west bank need to leave in order for the killing to stop because they are doing a lot of the razing and murders.

razing and killing = ongoing terrorism.

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Reply #226 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:39pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:28pm:

And that situation was not real.
When you learn to look past what you are told you will learn that labels mean nothing and that Obama is not who you think he is.
Go talk to Americans and they will punch you out because they know Obama is an unconstitutional liar.

Come on... How old are you really? Grin

Unfortunately for you, young fella... Two Presidents, All US Congresses since 2001, the US Senates since 2001 and the US Supreme Court since 2001 don't agree with you.

You speak of them like they hold some legitimacy, unfortunately for you they do not and are corrupt.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

You didn't answer, why do you support Obama?

Ah... I think you'll find my posts refer both to Bush and Obama... I haven't indicated which I 'support'. I'm just pointing out the flawed assumptions in your argument down to the typical teenage anti-parent tantrum in your last post... Grin

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Reply #227 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:41pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:28pm:

And that situation was not real.
When you learn to look past what you are told you will learn that labels mean nothing and that Obama is not who you think he is.
Go talk to Americans and they will punch you out because they know Obama is an unconstitutional liar.

Come on... How old are you really? Grin

Unfortunately for you, young fella... Two Presidents, All US Congresses since 2001, the US Senates since 2001 and the US Supreme Court since 2001 don't agree with you.

You speak of them like they hold some legitimacy, unfortunately for you they do not and are corrupt.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

You didn't answer, why do you support Obama?

Ah... I think you'll find my posts refer both to Bush and Obama... I haven't indicated which I 'support'. I'm just pointing out the flawed assumptions in your argument down to the typical teenage anti-parent tantrum in your last post... Grin

Well if you think the US government is to be trusted then clearly you do not know much.
So do you support Obama?
And clearly I am not the one acting like a teenager

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Reply #228 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:44pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

I support peace. I always have support for peace.

You may not have read several times on here I have said how I have behaved to both sides of conflict.
Making sure that palestinians were safer and listen to their problems when they come to me and my comrades when we are call to disputes with settlers in Hebron.

I do support 2 state resolution.

I support stable, peaceful stable borders Israel.
A Palestinians control of West Bank with only current number of Jewish settlements keep under Israel control. No more settlements.

I do not want Israel in Gaza. I myself, now I am reservist when I return, do not ever want to go into Gaza or see Gaza City ever again.
But no Hamas. They must not support Hamas if they want peace and stable border with no embargo.

Grey, understand I am moderate young Israeli. The future for our country, the young generation was wants to live in peace with the Arabs but also who wants a strong Israel.
We will not accept rocket attacks, we will not accept nuclear Iran, we will not accept suicide bombers.

But if the Arabs are preapred, then we too are for peace or war. For them they must choose.

You can call it moderate behaviour to tell settlers not to be naughty when they're shooting at or near children. But it is not.

You can call it moderate behaviour to call in an air strike against a civilian apartment block because a gunmen is in there somewhere. But it is not.

Did the Gazans have peace, stability and no embargo before they voted for Hamas? Of course not. The Gazans voted for whoever would protect them the best from the IDF and will continue to do so; as would anybody else. You are a murderous thug with blinkers.

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Reply #229 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:47pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

Well if you think the US government is to be trusted then clearly you do not know much.
So do you support Obama?
And clearly I am not the one acting like a teenager

This is not about whether I trust the US government (which I don't necessarily any more than I'd trust any government to necessarily act honestly without accountability)... It's about what it means to say an executive head of state acts against the interests of that state such that his actions warrant impeachment.

I can tell from your posts that you seem to hold the infantile belief that democratic Presidents wield absolute executive power. This is a common misapprehension with teenage kids who have little experience of separation of powers, having spent their few years fighting with those who (at least to them) appear to hold absolute power, like parents for example.

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Reply #230 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:50pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

Well if you think the US government is to be trusted then clearly you do not know much.
So do you support Obama?
And clearly I am not the one acting like a teenager

This is not about whether I trust the US government (which I don't necessarily any more than I'd trust any government to necessarily act honestly without accountability)... It's about what it means to say an executive head of state acts against the interests of that state such that his actions warrant impeachment.

I can tell from your posts that you seem to hold the infantile belief that democratic Presidents wield absolute executive power. This is a common misapprehension with teenage kids who have little experience of separation of powers, having spent their few years fighting with those who (at least to them) appear to hold absolute power, like parents for example.

What have I said that makes you think I think that?

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Reply #232 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:54pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

Well if you think the US government is to be trusted then clearly you do not know much.
So do you support Obama?
And clearly I am not the one acting like a teenager

This is not about whether I trust the US government (which I don't necessarily any more than I'd trust any government to necessarily act honestly without accountability)... It's about what it means to say an executive head of state acts against the interests of that state such that his actions warrant impeachment.

I can tell from your posts that you seem to hold the infantile belief that democratic Presidents wield absolute executive power. This is a common misapprehension with teenage kids who have little experience of separation of powers, having spent their few years fighting with those who (at least to them) appear to hold absolute power, like parents for example.

What have I said that makes you think I think that?

US Presidents require the will of Congress, the Senate and ultimately the US Supreme Court to suspend habeas corpus... Your only argument, pages after you asserted that Obama has committed impeachable offenses, in support of your position (having not produced any articles of impeachment), is that "they're all corrupt anyway".

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Reply #233 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:56pm

Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

You can not stand in front of progress.

In the case of the Islamist in the ME, it is a case of 'you cannot stand in the way of regress'. They want to go backwards too much.

Yes, it is the same with old boys in my countries. They experience much blockage, friendy.

Whereas you want all the sh!t you can get to flow freely. You even dig for it.

Got it.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #234 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:56pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:51pm: Quote: You are a murderous thug with blinkers. And he is in australia! SOB This is silly talk. I was serving soldier of IDF. I am in Australia for study and then I leave.
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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #235 - May 27^th, 2012 at 6:57pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

Well if you think the US government is to be trusted then clearly you do not know much.
So do you support Obama?
And clearly I am not the one acting like a teenager

This is not about whether I trust the US government (which I don't necessarily any more than I'd trust any government to necessarily act honestly without accountability)... It's about what it means to say an executive head of state acts against the interests of that state such that his actions warrant impeachment.

I can tell from your posts that you seem to hold the infantile belief that democratic Presidents wield absolute executive power. This is a common misapprehension with teenage kids who have little experience of separation of powers, having spent their few years fighting with those who (at least to them) appear to hold absolute power, like parents for example.

What have I said that makes you think I think that?

US Presidents require the will of Congress, the Senate and ultimately the US Supreme Court to suspend habeas corpus... Your only argument, pages after you asserted that Obama has committed impeachable offenses, in support of your position (having not produced any articles of impeachment), is that "they're all corrupt anyway".

When did I ever deny that?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=impechment+obama
You know they are corrupt

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Reply #236 - May 27^th, 2012 at 7:02pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

Well if you think the US government is to be trusted then clearly you do not know much.
So do you support Obama?
And clearly I am not the one acting like a teenager

This is not about whether I trust the US government (which I don't necessarily any more than I'd trust any government to necessarily act honestly without accountability)... It's about what it means to say an executive head of state acts against the interests of that state such that his actions warrant impeachment.

I can tell from your posts that you seem to hold the infantile belief that democratic Presidents wield absolute executive power. This is a common misapprehension with teenage kids who have little experience of separation of powers, having spent their few years fighting with those who (at least to them) appear to hold absolute power, like parents for example.

What have I said that makes you think I think that?

US Presidents require the will of Congress, the Senate and ultimately the US Supreme Court to suspend habeas corpus... Your only argument, pages after you asserted that Obama has committed impeachable offenses, in support of your position (having not produced any articles of impeachment), is that "they're all corrupt anyway".

When did I ever deny that?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=impechment+obama
You know they are corrupt

QED

"obama is a vampire"
About 3,620,000 results (0.36 seconds)

"obama is a communist"
About 1,460,000 results (0.37 seconds)

And the most bizarre of all (given incontrovertible proof to the contrary)

obama birther
About 18,000,000 results (0.29 seconds)

You are applying the fallacy of appeal to popularity...

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

Many people believe X.
Therefore X is true.

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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #237 - May 27^th, 2012 at 9:16pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 6:41pm:

Well if you think the US government is to be trusted then clearly you do not know much.
So do you support Obama?
And clearly I am not the one acting like a teenager

This is not about whether I trust the US government (which I don't necessarily any more than I'd trust any government to necessarily act honestly without accountability)... It's about what it means to say an executive head of state acts against the interests of that state such that his actions warrant impeachment.

I can tell from your posts that you seem to hold the infantile belief that democratic Presidents wield absolute executive power. This is a common misapprehension with teenage kids who have little experience of separation of powers, having spent their few years fighting with those who (at least to them) appear to hold absolute power, like parents for example.

What have I said that makes you think I think that?

US Presidents require the will of Congress, the Senate and ultimately the US Supreme Court to suspend habeas corpus... Your only argument, pages after you asserted that Obama has committed impeachable offenses, in support of your position (having not produced any articles of impeachment), is that "they're all corrupt anyway".

When did I ever deny that?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=impechment+obama
You know they are corrupt

QED

"obama is a vampire"
About 3,620,000 results (0.36 seconds)

"obama is a communist"
About 1,460,000 results (0.37 seconds)

And the most bizarre of all (given incontrovertible proof to the contrary)

obama birther
About 18,000,000 results (0.29 seconds)

You are applying the fallacy of appeal to popularity...

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

Many people believe X.
Therefore X is true.

Right.
Where as you are trying to push the lie that if Obama even slightly violated the constitution then the congress would instantly impeach him like its an automatic function or something

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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #238 - May 27^th, 2012 at 9:33pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Right.
Where as you are trying to push the lie that if Obama even slightly violated the constitution then the congress would instantly impeach him like its an automatic function or something

What does 'slightly violated the constitution' mean?

Clinton tried to conceal a sexual affair with an intern and that brought articles of impeachment to the floor of the congress.

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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #239 - May 27^th, 2012 at 9:40pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 9:33pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Right.
Where as you are trying to push the lie that if Obama even slightly violated the constitution then the congress would instantly impeach him like its an automatic function or something

What does 'slightly violated the constitution' mean?

Clinton tried to conceal a sexual affair with an intern and that brought articles of impeachment to the floor of the congress.

Its an expression, you are making it sound like because their is no impeachment then that means that he must not have done something that is impeachable.

Obviously they would impeach for something trivial, the stuff we are talking about is actually serious and doesn't get mentioned much anyway. People are more worried about sex scandals then genuine rape of freedom.

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