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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #90 - May 26^th, 2012 at 9:27am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:23pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

Gaza is mostly large apartment blocks it is not little houses, very dense population.
Some parts I have damage myself on return of fire.

I am not direct responsible for apartments destroyed but there has been bad damage to some buildings by Israeli Air Force which I called with coordinates for strike support
How do I feel?

They were firing at us and trying to kill us.
We called in air force and pull back 200 meters and they did not know it was coming.
I have no bad feelings at all about it.

So why is it ok for you to do it but terrorism when they do it?

We are not attacking innocent people, we are responding to attacks and removing the threat.
You obviously do not understand the difference.

You mean like freedivers attempt @ justification?

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Borg, this requires a frank look at the evidence, not spin doctoring. Take this as an example:

Country A attacks B on day X in history.

80 days later country B defends itself.

3 hours later country A launches yet another unprovoked attack.

This time it takes B a bit longer to summon it's resources, but manages to respond in 130 days.

87 minutes later country A again launches another completely unprovoked attack.

...and so on

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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #91 - May 26^th, 2012 at 9:28am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:30pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:26pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:23pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

Gaza is mostly large apartment blocks it is not little houses, very dense population.
Some parts I have damage myself on return of fire.

I am not direct responsible for apartments destroyed but there has been bad damage to some buildings by Israeli Air Force which I called with coordinates for strike support
How do I feel?

They were firing at us and trying to kill us.
We called in air force and pull back 200 meters and they did not know it was coming.
I have no bad feelings at all about it.

So why is it ok for you to do it but terrorism when they do it?

We are not attacking innocent people, we are responding to attacks and removing the threat.
You obviously do not understand the difference.

Right except you are the ones who started it so their attack would always have been after yours making them the ones 'responding'.
Yes it is a bit hard to spot the difference in things around this subject.
Its ok for you to kill civilians, but not them. Nope cant spot the diff.

In the situation I gave - which is what I was asked - we did not attack civilians.
We came under heavy fire from apartment block east of gaza city and we called in air strike to remove the threat.

Not civilians - terrorists who attacked us as we come down the street.

What do you mean you didnt attack civilians? It was a large apartment complex!

Why were you coming down the street? Was it YOUR street to be coming down?

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Re: Shooting Settlers
Reply #92 - May 26^th, 2012 at 9:29am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:49pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

we were responding to heavy fire and required air support.

So you fired on civilians?

No.

Yes. You did. You struck 2 large apartment buildings from the sky. Are you telling us there were no civilians in there?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #93 - May 26^th, 2012 at 9:53am You ask me what I myself did. I fired at terrorists who were firing to us and who threw grenades at us. That's not terrorism from them?
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Reply #94 - May 26^th, 2012 at 10:27am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

You ask me what I myself did.
I fired at terrorists who were firing to us and who threw grenades at us.
That's not terrorism from them?

Well you were in their city werent you? Did you expect to go in and them not defend themselves from the incursion?

Yes I did ask what you yourself did. I wanted to know how you felt about it. You called for the air-strike you said. So it was your decision to bomb the 2 large apartment buildings?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Shooting Settlers Reply #95 - May 26^th, 2012 at 10:30am The decision is Tel Aviv not us. My comrade and I radio that heavy gunfire continue and give coordinates of buildings. It is not our decision. We make the request for air strike and then it is approve or rejected. We were told to pull back and F16 strike eagles were coming.
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Reply #96 - May 26^th, 2012 at 10:33am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:27am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

You ask me what I myself did.
I fired at terrorists who were firing to us and who threw grenades at us.
That's not terrorism from them?

Well you were in their city werent you? Did you expect to go in and them not defend themselves from the incursion?

Yes I did ask what you yourself did. I wanted to know how you felt about it. You called for the air-strike you said. So it was your decision to bomb the 2 large apartment buildings?

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We were there to stop rocket attacks on Israel.
If they behave we would not come.
This was explained to the United States.

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Reply #97 - May 26^th, 2012 at 11:35am

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:27am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

You ask me what I myself did.
I fired at terrorists who were firing to us and who threw grenades at us.
That's not terrorism from them?

Well you were in their city werent you? Did you expect to go in and them not defend themselves from the incursion?

Yes I did ask what you yourself did. I wanted to know how you felt about it. You called for the air-strike you said. So it was your decision to bomb the 2 large apartment buildings?

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We were there to stop rocket attacks on Israel.
If they behave we would not come.
This was explained to the United States.

You were still invading them. Maybe you personally didnt kill innocent families and stuff but israel is responsible. Why should they lay down and let you kill them? That is what you mean by "behave" i am sure.

I dont care what the yanks say. I am trying to see if you have any compassion @ all for those your country oppresses.

West bank is not yours. A 2 state solution would have to give it back to the Palestinians or not but not have it occupied. Nobody is going to agree to have their country occupied by bullies.

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Reply #98 - May 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 10:45pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:49pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

we were responding to heavy fire and required air support.

So you fired on civilians?

How do YOU tell the difference between Arabs it's ok to fire on because they are shooting at you and Arabs it's not ok to fire on because they are merely shielding Arabs who are firing on you??

Your wisdom would be appreciated.

Then its ok for them to do the same to Israel.

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Reply #99 - May 26^th, 2012 at 12:04pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

Is hard. With Israelis, it is ones in tank who fire at everything. They fire like a party of drunken sailor.

In parts of Gaza - such as where I am talking - it is not possible to have tanks come through this zone.
Both too small streets and also that the Hamas terrorists have anti-tank launchers.

Much more safe to draw fire and then call in IAF.

Not much safe for peoples in buildings. Why you can't use tank?

Urban area. Narrow streets.

Instead you call planes to destroy whole neighbourhood with phosphorus bomb. Much safer.

Israel still uses Amerikan blitzkreig tactics from 1960s. Even Amerika no longer use this strategy. It must deal with guerilla tactics, light weapons, IEDs, suicide bomber. Also, war is now fought in media.

Israeli strategy cause high civilian deaths. This breeds more anger. Anger is not terrorism, it is war. Israel is not fighting terrorism, it is fighting a war. Each dead mother or child has a son, a brother, an uncle or father.

Israel is intoxicated by its Amerikan weapons and divine mission.

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Reply #100 - May 26^th, 2012 at 1:38pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 10:45pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:49pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

we were responding to heavy fire and required air support.

So you fired on civilians?

How do YOU tell the difference between Arabs it's ok to fire on because they are shooting at you and Arabs it's not ok to fire on because they are merely shielding Arabs who are firing on you??

Your wisdom would be appreciated.

Then its ok for them to do the same to Israel.

Do the same? what same? There is no Jewish Hamas and Hezb'allah.

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Reply #102 - May 26^th, 2012 at 2:25pm

Karnal wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

Is hard. With Israelis, it is ones in tank who fire at everything. They fire like a party of drunken sailor.

In parts of Gaza - such as where I am talking - it is not possible to have tanks come through this zone.
Both too small streets and also that the Hamas terrorists have anti-tank launchers.

Much more safe to draw fire and then call in IAF.

Not much safe for peoples in buildings. Why you can't use tank?

Urban area. Narrow streets.

Instead you call planes to destroy whole neighbourhood with phosphorus bomb. Much safer.

Israel still uses Amerikan blitzkreig tactics from 1960s. Even Amerika no longer use this strategy. It must deal with guerilla tactics, light weapons, IEDs, suicide bomber. Also, war is now fought in media.

Israeli strategy cause high civilian deaths. This breeds more anger. Anger is not terrorism, it is war. Israel is not fighting terrorism, it is fighting a war. Each dead mother or child has a son, a brother, an uncle or father.

Israel is intoxicated by its Amerikan weapons and divine mission.

So what would you do different to me this time?
It was too dangerous and we had no cover fire.

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Reply #103 - May 26^th, 2012 at 4:59pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Let me tell you of personal experience spot of borg, you know why because since I have been in Australia since January I can realise how far away this is so what happens is you read stories from Israel and so you believe everything.

March, 2008 when I am in national service post to Hebron region.
Me and my 2 comrades is called to disturbance.

I arrive and Immediate surrounded from Palestinian women screaming to me that their children is down the hill but can not come to the house because settlers is firing gunfire across the streets and also one boy he has received small wound from stones cracked from gun fire.

I say to her to calm down and I will see.

I call in Hebrew to the settlers stop firing and take the children to the Palestinians. I rescue situation.

But you know what I also do?
I go to top of hill where is the settlers and tell them to behave.
I tell them is unacceptable and if we are called back today we are coming back and make arrests next time.
Settlers apologise to me.

I have settlers stop shooting I have Palestinians in their section and I give out warning.

I get no thanks. I am told by Palestinian woman "see how you let them do it. See how you don't stop them?"
See what I mean? She is wrong. I did stop them, I did make them safe.
But look how the story can read.

Know the real happenings my friend.

You see here we have the Zionist telling us that when settlers shoot at Palestinian children the correct response is to tell settlers not to be naughty.

Yet when a Palestinian resistance fighter fires on an invasion force from and apartment block the correct response is to call in an air strike on the apartment block.

The excuse for 'cast lead' which killed and made homeless thousands of innocent palestinians already suffering from a blockade. Is that resistance fighters were shooting primitive rockets into Israel. But these rockets didn't come from Gaza city. They came from just outside the Wall.

Why weren't air strikes called on the rocket launchers? They say because they move so fast. This is a lie. When these rockets are launched they leave a vapour trail pointing to the launch site, in unoccupied farm land just the other side of the Israelie wall. they could take out a launch vehicle there in seconds with an Apache.

The Israelis WANT the rockets. They rarely harm anybody, nobody was hurt by them in the months before 'Cast Lead'. They weren't launched by Hamas but by a radical splinter group. Acting with the same method and intention of radical splinter groups in Northern Ireland. They want conflict, you will always get a few idiots.

The Israeli response was to call down a blitzkreig on a civilian city. Then they wonder why they're called Nazis. Keh!

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