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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #45 - May 24^th, 2012 at 8:43pm

Maqqa wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

When will you realise that if you take away his "innocent until proven guilty" you take away everyones presumption of innocence? We cant set that precedent.

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That's under a criminal investigation

In circumstances like this - the findings of the legislated body finds you guilty then you are guilty. It's up to you to prove your innocence

The ATO is a prime example of this

Then why the need to follow up with civil charges and send the report to the DPP?

Do you feel that the main person lodging the claim is the spouse of the 2IC of fair work and that he was the person who lodged the complaint which triggered the task force investigation?

Looks like a very serious conflict of interest to me, how well do you feel that Mrs Jackson's roll would have been investigated by her significant other.

I would think that this relationship alone makes the report absolutly worthless.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38811 Gender:	Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense Reply #46 - May 24^th, 2012 at 8:44pm Quote: he then steals $500.000 and on top of that he has an American Express card.. Link please..............????????
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58867 Here Gender:	Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense Reply #47 - May 24^th, 2012 at 8:56pm Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 8:44pm: Quote: he then steals $500.000 and on top of that he has an American Express card.. Link please..............???????? If only I had some spare links.
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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #48 - May 24^th, 2012 at 9:02pm

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

When will you realise that if you take away his "innocent until proven guilty" you take away everyones presumption of innocence? We cant set that precedent.

SOB

That's under a criminal investigation

In circumstances like this - the findings of the legislated body finds you guilty then you are guilty. It's up to you to prove your innocence

The ATO is a prime example of this

Then why the need to follow up with civil charges and send the report to the DPP?

Do you feel that the main person lodging the claim is the spouse of the 2IC of fair work and that he was the person who lodged the complaint which triggered the task force investigation?

Looks like a very serious conflict of interest to me, how well do you feel that Mrs Jackson's roll would have been investigated by her significant other.

I would think that this relationship alone makes the report absolutly worthless.

Because there are 181 breaches and potentially they are not dealt with just one area

As for the conflict of interest - this was evident to Gillard in the last 4 years so why didn't she do anything about it?

If there's a conflict of interest then what does that say about the FWA which is the creation of Gillard

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38811 Gender:	Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense Reply #49 - May 24^th, 2012 at 9:06pm Quote: Because there are 181 breaches ...... Another lie, Mellie.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26104 Gender:	Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense Reply #50 - May 24^th, 2012 at 9:09pm Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:06pm: Quote: Because there are 181 breaches ...... Another lie, Mellie. The report by FWA does detail 181 findings that will be tested in the Federal Court.
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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #51 - May 24^th, 2012 at 10:05pm

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EVERY SINGLE claim Thomson has made has so far been shonw to be false. Even his own party is saying that he is lying or living in a parallel universe.

Around the traps, I meet some odd characters, none less so than 'Mellie' who will just make up whatever she needs to suit her position. She posts links, which, when you check, have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

This delusional Mr. Liar Long Time is another Mellie. Give me DRaH anytime.

So, Mr. Lie Long Time, may I ask that you produce links which support those claims?

Cheesy

I ask Mr Lie Long Time to join my forum months ago to be a mod and 5 minutes later mellie join the forum.

and on the subject of socks... you just used one of yorus by accident, aussie. funny that you should get caught out using a sock to complain about someone else's supposed (and unproven) sock.

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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #52 - May 24^th, 2012 at 11:04pm

PoliticalReality wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

I believe there were 181 breaches found by the FWA.

Your attempt to use the amounts to trivialise this issue is pathetic

Well I've read the entire 1100 pages and what ALL the charges boil down to is Thomson not getting proper approval for the expenditure

And he may face some civil charges for not doing the paperwork correctly. But civil charges don't mean squat to his position in Parliament

I'm summarising these charges and making the assertion that it's reasonable to assume he was authorised to expense the Union's money on winning that seat for the ALP.

Does anyone really think that the Executive / Council controlled by the man who was National President of the ALP would not have approved this expense at the height of the Your Rights At Work campaign? Or at the very least that it's not reasonable to assume this?

the FWA report is just one element. The police didn't raid the HSU offices recntly because of things in the FWA report.

Applying Ockam's razor: why would his 'rivals' go to such extraordinary lengths to discredit him? What did he do to get up their noses so much? He didn't say.

In short WHY would they frame him? WHat would be the point of it all?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense Reply #53 - May 24^th, 2012 at 11:11pm Aussie wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:06pm: Quote: Because there are 181 breaches ...... Another lie, Mellie. But it's true, it's true , it's TRUE !!! (apologies to Lily von Schtupp)
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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #54 - May 24^th, 2012 at 11:13pm

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 11:04pm:

PoliticalReality wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

I believe there were 181 breaches found by the FWA.

Your attempt to use the amounts to trivialise this issue is pathetic

Well I've read the entire 1100 pages and what ALL the charges boil down to is Thomson not getting proper approval for the expenditure

And he may face some civil charges for not doing the paperwork correctly. But civil charges don't mean squat to his position in Parliament

I'm summarising these charges and making the assertion that it's reasonable to assume he was authorised to expense the Union's money on winning that seat for the ALP.

Does anyone really think that the Executive / Council controlled by the man who was National President of the ALP would not have approved this expense at the height of the Your Rights At Work campaign? Or at the very least that it's not reasonable to assume this?

the FWA report is just one element. The police didn't raid the HSU offices recntly because of things in the FWA report.

Applying Ockam's razor: why would his 'rivals' go to such extraordinary lengths to discredit him? What did he do to get up their noses so much? He didn't say.

In short WHY would they frame him? WHat would be the point of it all?

I think he tried to explain that he put in measures to clean up the union and they didn't like it or something to that affect. Hope someone has more detail for ya but I am not going looking for it atm.

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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #55 - May 25^th, 2012 at 7:08am

Thomson's explanation is falling apart...

A Current Affair last night revealed that, on top of $6000 used on his union credit cards on prostitutes, another $770 identified in the Fair Work Australia report on the MP's cards had been paid to a company called Boardroom Escorts in Sydney for in May, 2005.

The payment was made to Internat Immobilaire, a cover name for Boardroom Escorts, the program alleged. The program has interviewed the former prostitute who worked for the agency. She has signed a statutory declaration that she provided services to Thomson.

A Current Affair said it had yet to pay the woman but a fee was being negotiated if the story went ahead.

The report stated that Mr Thomson was in Sydney on May 7, 2005 when the transaction allegedly took place. Mr Thomson had previously identified the transaction on his Commonwealth Bank Mastercard as a 'dinner function'.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/escorts-claims-could-sink-mp-c...

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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #56 - May 25^th, 2012 at 7:17am

You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.

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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #57 - May 25^th, 2012 at 7:20am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 7:17am:

You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.

Why? He brought this on himself and is making a mockery of the federal parliament. He doesn't deserve the position he is clinging to. If he can't take the heat, he should just quit for his and his family's own good.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26512 Australia	Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense Reply #58 - May 25^th, 2012 at 7:23am Quote: Applying Ockam's razor: why would his 'rivals' go to such extraordinary lengths to discredit him? What did he do to get up their noses so much? He didn't say. He did say. SOB
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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #59 - May 25^th, 2012 at 7:25am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 7:20am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 7:17am:

You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.

Why? He brought this on himself and is making a mockery of the federal parliament. He doesn't deserve the position he is clinging to. If he can't take the heat, he should just quit for his and his family's own good.

If you send someone to their death because you slander them to the point of no return, what does that make you? I hope you feel truly proud and patriotic. You're doing it for Australia, I know.

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