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Re: Why Craig Thomson's explanation makes sense
Reply #60 - May 25th, 2012 at 7:27am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:17am:
You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.

Lay off. Mate it has just begun with this new $770 issue. No wonder he came out saying lay off. He has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and wants it stopped before it gets any closer to the truth.

If he is fair dinkum that he is under too much pressure, then get out of politics, because he has caused this rightly so pressure toward him. It is he who can help himself.
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Reply #61 - May 25th, 2012 at 7:29am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:25am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:20am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:17am:
You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.


Why? He brought this on himself and is making a mockery of the federal parliament. He doesn't deserve the position he is clinging to. If he can't take the heat, he should just quit for his and his family's own good.



If you send someone to their death because you slander them to the point of no return, what does that make you? I hope you feel truly proud and patriotic. You're doing it for Australia, I know.


I don't relish the thought of Thomson contemplating suicide, but he must be held accountable for his actions and he did create this situation himself. Would you be so sympathetic if we were talking about Joe Hockey or Bronwyn Bishop or any other Coalition frontbencher? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Reply #62 - May 25th, 2012 at 7:49am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:29am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:25am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:20am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:17am:
You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.


Why? He brought this on himself and is making a mockery of the federal parliament. He doesn't deserve the position he is clinging to. If he can't take the heat, he should just quit for his and his family's own good.



If you send someone to their death because you slander them to the point of no return, what does that make you? I hope you feel truly proud and patriotic. You're doing it for Australia, I know.


I don't relish the thought of Thomson contemplating suicide, but he must be held accountable for his actions and he did create this situation himself. Would you be so sympathetic if we were talking about Joe Hockey or Bronwyn Bishop or any other Coalition frontbencher? Yeah, I didn't think so.


Yes I would. I put life before politics. My life is not ruled by what some stupid pollie does or doesn't do.

It's always a pathetic ploy by the righties on here to put it back on the poster. I won't take your guilt, it's yours to live with.


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Reply #63 - May 25th, 2012 at 7:57am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:49am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:29am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:25am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:20am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:17am:
You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.


Why? He brought this on himself and is making a mockery of the federal parliament. He doesn't deserve the position he is clinging to. If he can't take the heat, he should just quit for his and his family's own good.



If you send someone to their death because you slander them to the point of no return, what does that make you? I hope you feel truly proud and patriotic. You're doing it for Australia, I know.


I don't relish the thought of Thomson contemplating suicide, but he must be held accountable for his actions and he did create this situation himself. Would you be so sympathetic if we were talking about Joe Hockey or Bronwyn Bishop or any other Coalition frontbencher? Yeah, I didn't think so.


Yes I would. I put life before politics. My life is not ruled by what some stupid pollie does or doesn't do.

It's always a pathetic ploy by the righties on here to put it back on the poster. I won't take your guilt, it's yours to live with.



It is up to thomson to save himself. It is not up to anyone else.
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Reply #64 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:11am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 10:05pm:
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Aussie wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 5:43pm:
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EVERY SINGLE claim Thomson has made has so far been shonw to be false. Even his own party is saying that he is lying or living in a parallel universe.


Around the traps, I meet some odd characters, none less so than 'Mellie' who will just make up whatever she needs to suit her position.  She posts links, which, when you check, have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

This delusional Mr. Liar Long Time is another Mellie.  Give me DRaH anytime.

So, Mr. Lie Long Time, may I ask that you produce links which support those claims?

Cheesy


I ask Mr Lie Long Time to join my forum months ago to be a mod and 5 minutes later mellie join the forum.



and on the subject of socks... you just used one of yorus by accident, aussie. funny that you should get caught out using a sock to complain about someone else's supposed (and unproven) sock.



For your information Mr Lie Long Time aussie is a member of my forum and he lives in a different state then I do. I have check out his ISP address on my forum which any of the mods on here can do.

So tell me Mr Lie Long Time why did mellie try to join mine forum 5 minutes after I ask you to join?

So mozza why don't you check out aussie and my ISP address and tell Mr Lie Long Time that he is wrong again

here is a link to check them both out

http://whatismyipaddress.com/

If mozza wants to he can PM me your ISP address and I will see if it the same as mellie or I can PM mellie ISP address if he wants it
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Reply #65 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:20am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:25am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:20am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:17am:
You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.


Why? He brought this on himself and is making a mockery of the federal parliament. He doesn't deserve the position he is clinging to. If he can't take the heat, he should just quit for his and his family's own good.



If you send someone to their death because you slander them to the point of no return, what does that make you? I hope you feel truly proud and patriotic. You're doing it for Australia, I know.


You make a valid point Pansi, but where are his ALP collegues telling him to resign for his own good?
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Reply #66 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:25am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:20am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:25am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:20am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 7:17am:
You right-wing loony's should lay off Thompson for now. It is apparent that he is at breaking point. Do you want to be responsible for causing a man to suicide?

He could well be surfing the net to see what's being said about him and come across this forum. I have quite often googled for something and Ozpolitics comes up, so it's not out of the realm of possible.

Wouldn't it be horrible if your post alone was the straw that broke the camels back?

Even Tony has the brains to lay off Thompson and attack Gillard instead, he figures she can take it. Tony hasn't really got the brains, someone told him to in the light of a previous Ministerial suicide.

Anyway, just saying you've all bullied sufficiently now to call it quits without feeling like losers, which incidentally you are.


Why? He brought this on himself and is making a mockery of the federal parliament. He doesn't deserve the position he is clinging to. If he can't take the heat, he should just quit for his and his family's own good.



If you send someone to their death because you slander them to the point of no return, what does that make you? I hope you feel truly proud and patriotic. You're doing it for Australia, I know.


You make a valid point Pansi, but where are his ALP collegues telling him to resign for his own good?


Maybe he won't stand down because it will look like he is guilty. Who knows? He might not want to give in to bullying and intimidation. He has said he wants his day in court.

Anyway Abbott said he will stop the hounding. The media should too.
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Reply #67 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:31am
 
mozzaok wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 6:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 6:05pm:
mozzaok wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
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Your explanation is idioitc but the best claim of all is that you read the entire 1100 pages of the report. You didnt and no protestations will convince me otherwise. If you had, there is no way you woudl be defending this scumbag in the brainless manner in which you are.

EVERY SINGLE claim Thomson has made has so far been shonw to be false. Even his own party is saying that he is lying or living in a parallel universe.

Sounds like you are living there with him.
-Longy, or if you prefer, the appropriately humourous sobriquet that Aussie has been using, "Mr Lie Long Time" lol

With someone with your track record on this forum Longy, getting caught out lying, so often, and for so long, and ALWAYS whilst championing a stance intended to portray the Liberal Party in a more favourable light, it seems pretty rich that you have the gall to be throwing the accusations about the credibility of others, so recklessly.
Your track record is so bad, if you told someone it was fine and sunny, they would grab an umbrella before going out.
In the early days I thought you may have been just a bit delusional in your pro Liberal fervour, but when you continued to repeat things that had already been proven false, because doing so was in your mind, supporting the party line, I drew the conclusion that you chose to lie deliberately.
Not many people do that.
It really is not a good look.


List the lies. go on. AS a moderator - which is in itself a joke - you should be held to a higher standard. But of course.,.. I forget... the standard is now 'presumption of innocence' and nothing more.

SO in the grand tradition of aussie the wannbe lawyer I demand that you show my 'lies' and list substantive proof. And keep in mind that 'error' is not 'lie' and 'lie' requires you to prove (remember that presumption of innocence again) that it was a lie said in full knowledge of the truth.

Do you have the character to support your allegation or will you just fade away as you so often do?

I DARE YOU TO DO SO. SHOW US YOUR CHARACTER


I may go with, "I read it in the Australian", or "anyone with more than half a brain knows that", or any of the myriad reasons you have used to declare your certain knowledge of Thomson's guilt.


As for your prove it challenge, how about this?
I will promise to tell you next time you tell a deliberate, provable lie.

I figure that won't be too long, and will probably be quicker than having to troll though old posts to provide you with evidence you alone would deny anyway.




I too will wait for that I am sick of lefties.. yourself aussie shippy calling everyone a liar.. except gillard of course..

yet never show the evidence concidering its always longy that gets the barbs I would think by now you would have a huge list???? hahah not so.. anyone surprised..

quoting from the media doesnt make it a lie..

it just gets up your nose and you know it.. you dont want to be reminded of what an incredible situation your messiahs have put us in..

if it was the Libs I would feel exactly the same..  "god please make this all go away"


well it would have done if she had sent him packing from day one.

so stop getting crappy it isnt our fault..

and stop calling people liars without the proof.. thank you very much,.. just because one reads a different newspaper to someone else doesnt make them a liar.
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Reply #68 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:33am
 
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Anyway Abbott said he will stop the hounding. The media should too.


who knows if he actually will but I betcha the media wont.

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Reply #69 - May 25th, 2012 at 8:36am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33am:
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Anyway Abbott said he will stop the hounding. The media should too.


who knows if he actually will but I betcha the media wont.

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As they shouldnt
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Reply #70 - May 25th, 2012 at 9:39am
 
progressiveslol wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:36am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33am:
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Anyway Abbott said he will stop the hounding. The media should too.


who knows if he actually will but I betcha the media wont.

SOB

As they shouldnt


Why not?

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Reply #71 - May 25th, 2012 at 9:40am
 
PoliticalReality wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 2:48pm:
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PoliticalReality wrote on May 24th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
No one's claiming access to the Drivers License - only access to the number and you know what, I'm the Administrator and (identity) Verifying Officer of our company's Corporate Credit Cards and I DO have copies of every person's Drivers License who has one of those cards.


The number? When you're verifying your credit card, you need the plastic. The license was photo ID. A photocopy is not going to cut it.



I'm beginning the think you didn't read my wonderfully composed piece, you're assuming the merchant is reputable, know a lot reputable knock shops?

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No doubt he's guilty of poor governance but most Unions are - they're not businesses run by professionals. 


Unions file tax returns and require annual audits like any other business. How could they possibly ignore $500,000 of mistaken spending - or even $6000?



No1 You've already agree it's only $6000 of mistaken spending I would suspect you're being disengenuous to continue bringing up the $500k figure but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt  Cheesy

Unions don't file Tax Returns because they're exempt from income tax, what they do is file Financial Returns to FWA.

The financial reports covering this period were filed, late, by KJ as she took over as National Secretary the moment Thomson was delcared elected to Parliament.

She didn't sign them though and this is what the FWA asserting against KJ relate to - late filing of unsigned Financial Returns

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You as much as admit in your opening paragraph that the expenditure of the vast majority of the money is not an issue, this leaves us with $6k that's been misused and he has provided a defence on this - he doesn't need to prove it, he's not a police agengcy with investigative powers, he has no means to prove it and you know what?  In this country you don't have to prove you're innocent - the authorities need to prove you're guilty


If he wants to defend his record, he needs to prove it. The very fact that he's in this position means that he needs to prove it. The standing of the government and the labour movement as a whole has been tarnished by it. Even more reason to prove it. The stakes are huge.

I'm not saying he's guilty of a crime. But do you really think that spending union money on a federal campaign is legit? Some of it maybe. After all, it was a campaign against Workchoices.

But half a million?



It's legit if the Executive and the Council think it is, and I assert that they did.  $500k equates to about $6 a member, seems a small price to pay to have WorkChoice brought down - some would say a bargain.

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It's not good enough to say that he didn't break the law. This is an example of unbelievable recklessness. Worse - it's blatant exploitation.

The union paid for a house in Sydney when he lived an hour and a half away on the Central Coast. The union paid for his wife's holidays. The union paid for his ridiculous annual salary, and he put every other living expense he incurred on his credit card.

But that wasn't enough. He got the nod to stand for a federal seat, and he put his campaign on the card as well.

And somewhere in the process, other things got whacked on - $6000 for prostitutes. And he approved it.

How can you possibly defend this? How can you say he doesn't need to prove anything?

Even the most rusted-on Labor hack understands he's been caught with his hand in the till and needs to go.

The Craig Thomson "affair" will go down in history as the Khemlani affair of the Gillard government.

Even the Khemlani loans affair was understandable. The Whitlam government needed foreign money during a recession to develop Australian resources.

Craig Thomson needed money - for what?


99% of the money in question was needed to destroy WorkChoices - you really think $6 a member was too high a price to pay?

Not me, and I guarantee not the people who were tasked with approving the expenditure


You raise good points, PR, and I'm glad you've corrected my understanding of unions and the whole process.

However, the fact that he spent union fees on his election campaign - and the hos - is corrupt.

Not from an ACAC point of view - but from a popular point of view.

He didn't need to fritter away $6 from each member to stop Workchoices. He didn't need to incur the costs he did. He had his nose deep in the trough, and who can blame KJ for not signing off on the expenses?

But thanks for clarifying the process for me.
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Reply #72 - May 25th, 2012 at 9:51am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 9:39am:
progressiveslol wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:36am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33am:
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Anyway Abbott said he will stop the hounding. The media should too.


who knows if he actually will but I betcha the media wont.

SOB

As they shouldnt


Why not?

SOB




so if and when a Lib plays up you wont mind a blackout on the news about it then???..


good to hear as so far when any lib has stepped on toes.. a leftie cant wait to get it up on here.. and in they all come.. boots and all..


didnt you notice that THOMO didnt point his ugly finger at any lib saying they were bringing him down.. oh I know he had his little tanny at the end..he probably did that for gillards permission to let him have his say in cowards castle..

but which lib did he claim brought this all down on him?????

this has been going on for 2 years... without the FWA.. which as far as I know was pretty much secret until the idiot decided to sue.

maybe he is so delusional he thinks he had all the rights under the sun to do what he did.. or has been accused of doing..as all along he claims HE HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG>.

so why 9 investigations????????????
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Reply #73 - May 25th, 2012 at 10:20am
 
cods wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 9:51am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 9:39am:
progressiveslol wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:36am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 8:33am:
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Anyway Abbott said he will stop the hounding. The media should too.


who knows if he actually will but I betcha the media wont.

SOB

As they shouldnt


Why not?

SOB




so if and when a Lib plays up you wont mind a blackout on the news about it then???..


good to hear as so far when any lib has stepped on toes.. a leftie cant wait to get it up on here.. and in they all come.. boots and all..


didnt you notice that THOMO didnt point his ugly finger at any lib saying they were bringing him down.. oh I know he had his little tanny at the end..he probably did that for gillards permission to let him have his say in cowards castle..

but which lib did he claim brought this all down on him?????

this has been going on for 2 years... without the FWA.. which as far as I know was pretty much secret until the idiot decided to sue.

maybe he is so delusional he thinks he had all the rights under the sun to do what he did.. or has been accused of doing..as all along he claims HE HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG>.

so why 9 investigations????????????


Where did I say anything about a blackout of the news? I just think they should stop the harassment and lynch mob stirring. If theres some "news" well and good but they are going around declaring him a liar. What happens if it turns out he was innocent afterall and the media caused him to suicide or something? They dont care they are a corporation.

It doesnt matter who the heck it is they shouldn't be inciting this thing like they are.

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Yes. Good question. they find nothing and they try again. Who wants to find something so badly?

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Reply #74 - May 25th, 2012 at 10:21am
 
Thompson actually said that it was trial by Tony Abbott and the media. The DPP said there is no case to answer because of lack of credible evidence.

The producer of ACA admitted to Thompson that they are paying the prossie $60,000. Gutter journalism at its best or worst, whatever way you look at it.

I'd admit to it for $30,000. Come on TT, buy me.

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