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Maqqa

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Who is to be blamed?
May 25^th, 2012 at 10:06am

In this article "The alarm bell rings" it reminds us what the consequences of these scandals.

We see that the then Howard government lost 3 Ministers ie they did the honorable thing and quit. While in the year 2012 - over 4 years after this initial issue surface the person in question still hangs on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-25/cassidy-alarm-bells-are-ringing/4031494

So if Thommo is still hanging on - then whose fault is it if he's driven to the brink. The 4 contenders are:

(1) Thomson representing Labor

(2) Gillard representing Labor

(3) Abbott representing Libs

(4) Media

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Who is to be blamed? Reply #1 - May 25^th, 2012 at 10:09am wow..another thomson thread..SPAM
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Who is to be blamed? Reply #2 - May 25^th, 2012 at 10:12am Can't face reality adel - just like Thommo
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Who is to be blamed? Reply #3 - May 25^th, 2012 at 10:16am Maqqa wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 10:12am: Can't face reality adel - just like Thommo Honestly..there are more than a dozen recent threads on the same topic...you cant tag onto one?
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Reply #4 - May 25^th, 2012 at 10:43am

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 10:16am:

Maqqa wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Can't face reality adel - just like Thommo

Honestly..there are more than a dozen recent threads on the same topic...you cant tag onto one?

maybe we are just waiting for someone on the govt side of politics to actually ACT on this matter.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Who is to be blamed? Reply #5 - May 25^th, 2012 at 11:16am maybe you should change your ID to deadhorsemeat macca ... he never gets told to shove off does he?
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Who is to be blamed? Reply #6 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:21pm cods wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 11:16am: maybe you should change your ID to deadhorsemeat macca ... he never gets told to shove off does he? you and I wont stoop to that level though
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Who is to be blamed? Reply #7 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm And now Abbott has committed a crime by suggesting that if Thomson resigns from parliament that the Libs will lay off him. Abbott should get himself a good lawyer
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26104 Gender:	Re: Who is to be blamed? Reply #8 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:42pm adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm: And now Abbott has committed a crime by suggesting that if Thomson resigns from parliament that the Libs will lay off him. Abbott should get himself a good lawyer Umm, what crime did he commit, Adumbcrow?
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Reply #9 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:42pm

So when given the opportunity to specifically identify who the left thinks is to be blamed - you all slink back to your hole. No courage? I didn't think so.

The case is simple.

When this issue first came out over 4 years ago - Gillard should have stood Thomson down. Just like Howard did with his 3 Ministers.

When the issue dragged on for more than 12 months Gillard should have sacked him but she was too worried about her own survival. Then at 2 years, 3 years and 4 years. Each time too concerned about her own survival. She had the chance to sack him while he was an ALP member. Now he's an Independent she has no say. Perhaps this was a sneaky way for her to take the heat off herself. Therefore she is the primary person to be blamed

Thomson should have quit - period. The LIBs sacrificed themselves for the greater good - the ALP will not! He cannot just make a decision to hang on and not then ignore the consequences of hanging on. Just like Gillard Thommo is to carry significant amount of the blame.

The ALP machine men should have pushed for Thommo to resign the same way they pushed Rudd to resign. They have not successfully done so - therefore they are to be blamed as well.

Abbott is an interesting one. In 2000 when the ALP first highlight the LIBs travel rorts which resulted in 3 LIBs Minister stepping down - did anyone blamed the then ALP leader? Not a squeak. If no blame was allocated then why is it different this time? The difference I think is because the ALP has no other defence.

Last but not least - the media. The media will be the media. It will only get worse not better. With full disclosure - there would be no tinder for the media to light. If Thommo resigned - there would be nothing to talk about. If Gillard had sacked him there would be no issue. Howard sacked 3 Ministers and the story died and the Ministers are still alive. Gillard hung on for dear life and this story continues.

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Reply #10 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:45pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

And now Abbott has committed a crime by suggesting that if Thomson resigns from parliament that the Libs will lay off him.
Abbott should get himself a good lawyer

Umm, what crime did he commit, Adumbcrow?

Its a crime to suggest such a thing..wait and see if Labor asks the Feds to investigate

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Reply #11 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:46pm

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

And now Abbott has committed a crime by suggesting that if Thomson resigns from parliament that the Libs will lay off him.
Abbott should get himself a good lawyer

Umm, what crime did he commit, Adumbcrow?

Its a crime to suggest such a thing..wait and see if Labor asks the Feds to investigate

How is it a crime? Please enlighten us all as to what crime Abbott has supposedly broken. Proof, please.

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Reply #12 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

And now Abbott has committed a crime by suggesting that if Thomson resigns from parliament that the Libs will lay off him.
Abbott should get himself a good lawyer

Umm, what crime did he commit, Adumbcrow?

Its a crime to suggest such a thing..wait and see if Labor asks the Feds to investigate

How is it a crime? Please enlighten us all as to what crime Abbott has supposedly broken. Proof, please.

Dont take my word for it...listen to the news tonight

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Re: Who is to be blamed?
Reply #13 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:50pm

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

And now Abbott has committed a crime by suggesting that if Thomson resigns from parliament that the Libs will lay off him.
Abbott should get himself a good lawyer

Umm, what crime did he commit, Adumbcrow?

Its a crime to suggest such a thing..wait and see if Labor asks the Feds to investigate

How is it a crime? Please enlighten us all as to what crime Abbott has supposedly broken. Proof, please.

Dont take my word for it...listen to the news tonight

You're the one that raised this. Please, show us the proof.

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Re: Who is to be blamed?
Reply #14 - May 25^th, 2012 at 1:56pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

And now Abbott has committed a crime by suggesting that if Thomson resigns from parliament that the Libs will lay off him.
Abbott should get himself a good lawyer

Umm, what crime did he commit, Adumbcrow?

Its a crime to suggest such a thing..wait and see if Labor asks the Feds to investigate

How is it a crime? Please enlighten us all as to what crime Abbott has supposedly broken. Proof, please.

Dont take my word for it...listen to the news tonight

You're the one that raised this. Please, show us the proof.

Calm down..it will be on the news tonight
lve explained twice what he did that is a crime

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