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Reply #45 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 4:09pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 2nd, 2012 at 4:04pm:




What style turban is this?

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It just occurs to me - falah, are you Anthony Mundane's kid brother?

Just wondering as I have never come across any Muslim so interested in other people's culture and history, let alone in Aboriginal history. Are you a disaffected Aboriginal who is chanelling his revolt against the oppressor by signing up with the Islamic liberation front (Salafi Jihadist branch)?







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Reply #46 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 4:56pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 2nd, 2012 at 4:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2012 at 2:43pm:
falah wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 9:24am:
History of Australia’s Muslim cameleers



More than one million feral dromedary camels are wandering around the Australian outback, stripping vegetation and knocking down fences. They're viewed as pests, and there are plans to cull them.

[b]Burke and Wills expedition


Following a few small-scale exploration successes with camels in the late 1850s, the Victorian Expedition Committee in 1859 commissioned a local businessman who exported to India to buy camels and recruit cameleers. On 9 June 1860, 24 camels and three cameleers arrived at Port Melbourne, to join the pioneering Burke and Wills expedition


While the expedition successfully made it from the south coast to the north, through the heart of Australia,

“Until the arrival of motorised transport in the interior, in the early 1920s, there were only camels. It was the only way to get across great stretches of land.”



Faliar

There were no muslims on the Burke and Wills expedition, pathetic pissant muslims are trying to rewrite history with this one.

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The expedition set out from Royal Park Melbourne at about 4 pm on 20th August 1860.
The 19 men of the expedition included 5 englishmen,6 Irishmen,4 Indian sepoys,3 Germans and an American.
They took 23 horses,6 wagons and 26 camels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Wills_expedition#Departure_from_Melbourne






The Indian sepoy's were sikh's who have a long history of helping the British.

From a Islamic propaganda website-
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   A small number of cameleers were of the sikh religion.

Does anyone else notice how muslims downplay the contribution of the sikh cameleers like in the Burke and Wills expedition to claim the muslims were there.

http://www.cameleers.net/?page_id=2



There were no muslim cameleers on the Burke and Wills expedition they were Indian sepoy's from the sikh religion.

Why are muslims telling lies about the Burke and wills expedition Faliar?




You ignoramus. "Sepoy" was a term used to describe anyone from the Indian sub-continent. Many of the "Afghans" were actually from Pakistan.


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The term "sepoy" or "sipāhi" is derived from the Persian word "sipāh" meaning "infantry soldier" in the Mughal Empire. In the Ottoman Empire the term Sipahi was used to refer to elite cavalry troopers.[2] In its most common application sepoy was the term used in the British Indian Army, and earlier in that of the British East India Company, for an infantry private (a cavalry trooper was a sowar).

The term sepoy came into use in the forces of the British East India Company in the eighteenth century, where it was one of many, such as peons, gentoos, mestees and topassess used for various categories of native soldiers. Initially it referred to Hindu or Muslim soldiers without regular uniform...It later generically referred to all native soldiers in the service of the European powers in India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepoy




They were Indian sepoy's on the Burke and Wills expedition what part of Indian do you fail to comprehend in your pathetic attempt to rewrite history?

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Scroll down to Origins of the community in Australia-

The first immigration of sikh's to Australia is related to the introduction of the camel and camel handlers (cameleers) from the Northern Indian fronteir

Sikh's have been mistaken for Pakistanis,Arabs and Afghans, In Australia the term "Afghan" was used for any dark skinned turbaned person especially if he was a cameleer.

http://www.sikhinterfaithvic.org.au/Sikhs%20in%20aus.htm



There were no muslims on the Burke and Wills expedition
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Reply #47 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 8:19pm
 
OP.

Muslims are aliens to Western civilisation. As a result, they are represented as weird and alien. It is not prejudice, it is not a hidden agenda, it is simply a fact everyone can see. They are aliens in thought, manner, custom, sensibility, memory, aspiration, everything.

Try this - could an ordinary Australian be himself, without making any concessions to what's around him,  in Mecca? No fooking way. he'd be in jail, if he is lucky, within 24 hours of landing. In Paris? London, New York, Berlin, Copenhagen, Bern, Vienna, Montreal?  No probs.

Muslims are envoys, representatives, harbingers of an alien, undesirable culture.  They should be reminded that we could treat them as they would treat us in Mecca but we don't.

So quit whining and pissing yourselves about how put-upon you are. You are not. You are fooking lucky to be here. Show some sign of appreciation for a change. You could be in Mecca.

Why aren't you in Mecca?







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Reply #48 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:12am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2012 at 8:19pm:
OP.
Why aren't you in Mecca?



Why are you not in a mental hospital?

You should be locked up with Anders Brievik.
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Reply #49 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:26am
 
Historian Dr Ian Crawford attributes the Macassan traders with teaching indigenous Australians on the northwestern coast about modern foreigners: "they subsequently developed effective guerrilla warfare tactics."1




1I Crawford, We Won the Victory: Aborigines and outsiders on the north-west coast of the Kimberley, Fremantle Arts Centre Press, Fremantle, 2001, p.22.
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If we look at the nature of the relationship between the Macassans and their Aboriginal trading partners, we can see that the Macassans created a benchmark of behaviour expected of aliens by Aborigines. Berndt and Berndt relate the Yolngu legend of the first Macassan contact which occurred at Cape Bradshaw, where the Macassans had demonstrated kindness to the Yolngu they encountered, and were thereby able to induce Yolngu people to work for them.1  Cordial relations were a hallmark of the relationship, as Worsley writes:


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"If one listens to aboriginal accounts…the Macassarese era was a Golden Age, a time when food was given away in vast quantities, when the aborigines had only to ask their Macassarese 'brothers' in order to be given unlimited tobacco, cloth, knives, etc. Moreover, they say, "we were treated with equality; we ate at the same table, ate the same food, used the same dishes." The contrast is plainly between the generosity and democracy of the Macassarese and the parsimony and colour bar of the Whites. "2



Aboriginal elder, David Burrumarra, described how the Yolngu considered the era of early Macassan contact as a golden-age of partnership, coexistence and sacred alliance. McIntosh was told of an ‘unparalleled material wealth and prestige’ that was believed to have characterised that era.3

Galiawa Nalanbayayaya Wurramarrba an elder at Groote Eylandt narrated in 1969 how the Anindilyakwa tribe lived with the Macassans on Bickerton Island, between Arnhem Land and Groote Eylandt:

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We lived together, the old men, all my fathers, uncles and others and the Macassans. They collected trepang. We ate “birrida” (rice), “dirdirra” (sugar), coconut…Then they were gone, there were none left, no more Macassans…then white people arrived, missionaries arrived…[after many years] we were all gone, we knew the Macassans, they [who remember the Macassans] died and were gone, all except me and the old men, we three remained...we knew the Macassans, we ate their food we smoked their tobacco. These people today are ignorant, they’re stupid…[When the Macassans were here] We had plenty of food to eat. 4


A Maung elder on Goulburn Island, Lazarus Lamilami, as saying that his people remember that they ‘were very friendly with the Macassans.'5





1R Berndt & C Berndt, Arnhem Land: its history and its people, F. W. Cheshire, Melbourne, 1954, p.42.
2P Worsley, ‘Early Asian Contacts with Australia’, Past and Present, vol. 7, 1955, pp. 8.
3 I McIntosh, ‘A Treaty with the Macassans?: Burrumarra and the Dholtji Ideal’, The Asia Pacific Journal of Anthropology, Vol. 7, No. 2, August 2006, p. 153.
4C Wuramarrba, trans. J, Stokes, ‘Macassar Story’, in L, Hercus, & P, Sutton, (eds.) This is What Happened; historical narratives by Aborigines, Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies, Melbourne, 1986, pp. 119-23.
5D J Mulvaney, Encounters in Place: outsiders and Aboriginal Australians 1606-1985, University of Queensland Press, Adelaide, 1989, p.26.
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Reply #51 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:40am
 
Warner found from interviewing Mahkarolla, a Yolngu tribesman from East Arnhem Land in the late 1920’s, that prior to the European embargo on Macassan trade in 1908, the Aborigines took a long-term view of the trade with Macassans and expected it to continue well into the future. When Mahkarolla was a young boy, his father had given him gifts to  present to a Macassan prau captain in order to  introduce him to the traders in the hope that alliances with prau captains would continue well into the future with the next generation.1  That the relationship is remembered by Yolngu as generally harmonious is demonstrated by folklore represented in the Yothu Yindi song Macassan Crew:

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…They came in peace,
Through the Ashmore Reef,
Smoke [tobacco] and steel [tools]
And the Tamarind seed…
…brave Macassan crew. 2






1W L Warner, A Black Civilization: A study of an Australian tribe, Harper Torchwood, New York, 1964, p. 469.
2M, Kellaway, S, Creed, J C, Farriss, A, ‘Macassan Crew’, from Garma record, Yothu Yindi Music, Sydney, 2000.
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Reply #52 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:47am
 
Professor Campbell Macknight talks about how Muslims established Australia's first ever export industry a century before Captain Cook was born :

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