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Reply #90 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 6:42pm:
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Freeliar, that is only one small area of Arnhem Land where the traditional owners are interested in cattle grazing.


Interested? This is 2012 - more than a century after the time you are talking about. More than a century after the evidence you have presented, which largely consists of people talking about the farming potential of this land. And still they are merely talking about it? What does that tell you about the potential profits involved?


Freeliar you ignore all the actual farming that whas gone on in Arnhem land.

There are people grazing cattle in Arnhem Land today, but you said it couldn't be done.

The Eastern and African Cold Storage Company grazed cattle on Arnhem Land for 5 years before being driven off by Aborigines.


Many cattle station and other settlements existed in Arnhem Land for years before being driven off by Aborigines.

Why did these settlers fail to remove the Aborigines like they did in every other part of Australia that they settled?


Let us read about some accountsof the farms established in Arrnhem Land:


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The Rev James Watson returned to Darwin by the Mission lugger has just completed a journey from Katherine to Crocodile Island with horses, chiefly brood mares. The Island is about 100 miles east of Goulburn. During the trip the party passed through some wonderful pastoral and agricultural country. Many magnificent lagoons were passed, most of them covered with game of every kind, a sportsman's paradise. They passed through the Bullman silver-lead proposition which was deserted for the time being. Beautiful springs, bubbling up out of the ground, streams eight feet wide as clear as crystal ; lagoons miles round them; beautiful pastoral country park- like in appearance ; alternating with sandy country; belts of cypress pine timber extending for miles, The last outpost for any white man resident is the Mainoru station surrounded by magnificent lagoons. They were greatly interested in the station before that held by Messrs McNeice and Cobb (returned soldiers). At both of these places they received the greatest kindness - proverbial Territory hospitality. Met three lots of blacks towards Arafura station and Florida station. This is in Arnhem Land. They were greatly interested in the prospects of the returned soldiers, and were delighted with the splendid country they had chosen. It was a very refreshing sight to see a rushing torrent falling down over rocky falls and they simply amazed at the tremendous stretch of lagoons further north. Saw some of the offspring of cattle placed very many years ago on Arafura, abandoned long since. Some of the posts of the old homestead still remain...Made enquiries from blacks about supposed captive women but in no case could they gain any definite information except rumour. The horses were all landed on the Island in good order (350 miles). We had anticipated a little trouble owing to the horses being unshod over some of the stony country, but our fears were unfounded as not one of the horses showed any signs of lameness.

Captain Wilkins was left on the mainland opposite Goulburn Island where he is busy catching rock wallabies. Farming operations are being conducted at Crocodile Island where, maize, cotton, peanuts, coconuts, bananas, sweet potatoes, etc. are being grown,.

[Northern Territory Times and Gazette (Darwin, NT Friday 31 October 1924)]




Florida Cattle Station was on Yolngu land for about a decade


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NORTHERN TERRITORY NEWS.

AN ENCOURAGING REPORT FROM THE NORTH COAST.

[By Telegraph]

Port Darwin. December 5.

Mr. J. Arthur Macartney, owner of the Florida Station at Glyde's Inlet on the North Coast, has just returned from his station...The station, which has been formed about two years, has a surprisingly large natural increase. A substantial homestead has been erected and garden made. The growth of everything was astonishing, fruits bearing exceptionally early, and the plains being covered with wild rice. Wild fowl and fish abound. No white ants are to be seen as yet. Mr. Macartney says from his experience of sugar-growing in Queensland he firmly believes that two crops could be grown annually in Florida.



(South Australian Register, Tuesday 6 December 1887)



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At Florida Station, around 1885 Yolngu were fed poisoned horse-meat after they killed and ate cattle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolngu_people



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THE NORTHERN TERRITORY.

By Telegraph

Port Darwin. Januarv 23.

The Adelaide returned from the McArthur River yesterday with one passenger. She brings news from that district, dated 4th inst., that the body of D. McKay, who was reported last week as supposed to have perished from the want of water, had been found by a stockman on the Brunette Run, sixteen miles from the head station, between there and Alroy Downs. The remains were covered by bushes, earth, and a rug...The police at Roper River report there is a rumour among the natives there that Mr. Watson, the Manager for Mr. J. A. Macartney, and one of his men have been speared by die natives at Florida Station...

[South Australian Register, Tuesday 24 January 1893]




The Eastern & African Cold Storage Company tried to take off from where

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CATTLE OF THE NORTHERN : TERRITORY.

According to the latest issue of Tho Northern Territory Times it is reported from Hodgson Downs that Mr. ¥. W. Palmer has completed taking delivery of that station on account of the E. and A. Storage Syndicate. As soon as the country is dry enough to admit of stock travelling Mr. Palmer will probably dispatch another 4,000 cattle sold by the syndicate to the Arafura Company, and will then proceed to Woloragang Station, near the Queens land border, which station he will lake over on account of the syndicate. Tin's property is the latest purchase of the syndicate, and is said to comprise a splendid herd of about 11,000 head. Mr. J. Bradshaw, who recently returned from the Goyder River, states that affairs there are decidedly prosperous...the stock are said to be looking consented and well, and calves and foals are numerous. The resuscitation of the Iong-deserted Florida Station is being rapidly proceeded with.

[The Register (Adelaide, SA) Saturday 9 April 1904]
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Reply #91 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:21pm
 
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NORTHERN TERRITORY ARABLE LANDS AND Mr BRACKENBURY

5. Mr. Heber Percy pronounces the lands at Florida, in Glvde's lnlet, to be "equal to the best of any lands I know in Queensland."

6. Mr. Holtze, F.L.A. in 1883, wrote— 'Our good land is on the wide plains of our rivers, where the tropical rains of centuries have deposited the alluvial soil of the higher country...We also hear of the magnificent soils of Florida Station; and Mr. D'Arcy Uur, who is surely able to speak with authority, tells me that some of the soil of the country lying between the Howley and the Daly River equals the best soils he has ever seen in Queensland.' I could give columns of similar extracts.
7. The soils were analysed by Dr. Schombunk and Mr. Cosmo Newberry, and met with their 'entire approval' for tropical agriculture.


[South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA) Monday 7 December 1896]
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Reply #92 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
I think this is the most interesting subjet you have brought to the board Falah. In the main it's been met with abuse, ridicule and ignorance, which is a shame.

The resistance of the Arnhem land natives is well known amongst anthropologists and they definitely are regarded as being an anomaly amongst Australian natives.

The land is largely fertile and an abundance of water being regarded as an impediment to agriculture is absurd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnhem_Land

While there's no doubt that the interaction between top end natives and Asia occured and must have introduced concepts unknown in the south, I've heard little support for the proposition that Islam was itself an influence. Do you have any evidence to suggest it was? Other. that is, from the odd Aboriginal person adopting it and refusing to eat pork. I've no doubt that the odd aboriginal person has converted to Judaism - and refuses pork.

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Reply #93 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 6:43pm
 
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The land is largely fertile and an abundance of water being regarded as an impediment to agriculture is absurd.


It is not absurd Grey. Even Falah managed to acknowledge this in discussing why there are so many large areas around Darwin that are not used for anything. Anyone with the slightest familiarity with grazing will understand the risks associated with waterlogged soil.

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While there's no doubt that the interaction between top end natives and Asia occured and must have introduced concepts unknown in the south, I've heard little support for the proposition that Islam was itself an influence.


According to Falah, contact with Muslims made the aborigines automatically hostile and violent (because the maccassans told them to run and hide when they saw white people).

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There are people grazing cattle in Arnhem Land today, but you said it couldn't be done


Again, stick to what I actually say Falah. I have already explained this for you many times.

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Let us read about some accountsof the farms established in Arrnhem Land


Is this because you realise how silly it was to use accounts that list climate as the dominant reason - even for individual actions alone and ignoring patterns of settlement?

Oh wait, more examples of people talking about farming the area but not actually farming it? Do you see the apttern here Falah?

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Mr. Macartney says from his experience of sugar-growing in Queensland he firmly believes that two crops could be grown annually in Florida.


How many sugar can farms are there in the NT Falah?

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As soon as the country is dry enough to admit of stock travelling


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Reply #94 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:22pm
 
How much money is currently made from cattle farming the Yolngu area?

Falah, just about every example you give of how suitable the area is for European farming methods merely demonstrates your complete ignorance of what makes good farmland. You have a particular focus on pre-agricultural assessments made from ignorance. The only time you gave evidence explaining why these farms later failed, the evidence listed climate as the dominant cause of failure. Your attempts show a desperate search for any evidence that goes against the grain, no matter how flawed or dated, and a deliberate rejection of the overwhelming evidence of the marginal suitability of the area for farming.

Why are you relying on the assessments made before farming was attempted rather than the assessments made after the farms failed?

Why do you think the actual farmers themselves listed climate as the dominant cause of failure?

Why is the example of Broome not pertinent? Is it because of the only two examples you have of areas that had frequent contact, this one demonstrates the opposite of what you are arguing? It is about the only significant white settlement in thousands of kilometers of coastline from Darwin to Perth - coastline where aborigines that had even less contact got huge tracts of land handed to them much earlier?

Do you still think southern aborigines would have been better off if they were more hostile and violent? Why have you gone silent on this comparison that you started out with?

Are you aware of the common themes in Australian farming and fisheries of areas that initially appeared fertile but turned out not be be so?

Why do you think the areas of the NT that are farmed have such an extremely low population density and such enormous farms, many the size of european countries?

What fraction of the 'big buffalo leather industry' in the NT came from farmed buffalo? Why do you think it would be profitable to farm an animal that is already a pest that people are trying to get rid of?

Do you understand the difference in suitability for wet tropical areas between cattle and water buffalo?

Are you aware of any health problems experience by cattle in waterlogged soil?

What do you think happens when monsoonal rain falls on "large areas of flat land" in crocodile country?

Why do you think the green looking plain you used as evidence has no trees on it?

Why do you think the aborigines in your example would only bring in cattle to graze on their land at a time when the cattle were going dirt cheap (due to the export ban) if the government helped pay for it?

How many of the '50 jobs' in your example are full time?

Can you explain how massacring aborigines helped the aborigines and drove the white people off?

Why did you use a map that deliberately left off the index showing the large areas around Darwin that are not used for anything? It also left off the other enormous areas of the NT assigned to aboriginal or conservation use.

Why do you think there is an enormous nature reserve (one of the largest in the country) between Darwin and the Yolngu areas? Were we so scared of the aborigines we needed a few hundred kilometers of no mans land?

Where did you get your map of northern swamps from? Do you think it is complete?

Do you still think that the colour on google maps is a good indication of suitability for european farming methods? Why do you think there is a consistent trend in your own evidence for the cattle farms to be south of the wettest areas, regardless of aboriginal hostility?

Do you still think that the potential for twenty farms in an area the size of Tasmania indicates fertile land?

Why did you give Mildura as an example of how the southeast also has a low population density in fertile land, when this one town has a population roughly equal to one third of the NT's population outside of Darwin, including aborigines?

Why do you think Indonesian farms indicate that the NT is suitable for european farming methods?

Did you consider at all the example of the Ord River Scheme?

Are you aware of any factor other than farm proifitability per unit area that is a better predictor of population density?

Are you aware of the experience of south African farmers as they attempted to colonise areas further north?

Why do you think that the example of the US and British armies in North America getting involved in disputes and moving the natives on to the least fertile areas supports your argument? Do you think our army would have been too scared of the aborigines, or would have been defeated by them?


Was it just an undergrad thesis?


Doesn't it simply make more sense that the remoteness of these tribes above anything else allowed them to get away with their hostility and violence, rather than causing it?
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Reply #95 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:28pm
 
Grey wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 1:46pm:
I think this is the most interesting subjet you have brought to the board Falah. In the main it's been met with abuse, ridicule and ignorance, which is a shame.

The resistance of the Arnhem land natives is well known amongst anthropologists and they definitely are regarded as being an anomaly amongst Australian natives.

The land is largely fertile and an abundance of water being regarded as an impediment to agriculture is absurd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnhem_Land

While there's no doubt that the interaction between top end natives and Asia occured and must have introduced concepts unknown in the south, I've heard little support for the proposition that Islam was itself an influence. Do you have any evidence to suggest it was?




My thesis looked at the influence of Macassans in general, not just religious.

However, I was surprised when conducting my research to find that in Arnhem Land, there was a strong influence especially amongst the Yolngu people.

The one thing that Aborigines in Arnhem Land both seemed to get from the Macassans was the adoption of wearing clothes and coverin private parts.


The topic needs more research, but here are some of the things I found that the Yolngu had been influenced with:

*belief in Allah
*Several converts to Islam
*recitiation of Quran during rituals
*sending blessings on Muhammed in Arabic during rituals
*elements of Muslim prayers in rituals
*concept of Macassans bringing universal law
*wearing of clothes/covering private parts.
*circumcision

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Reply #97 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
Even Falah managed to acknowledge this in discussing why there are so many large areas around Darwin that are not used for anything.


Freeliar, Darwin is hundreds of kilometres from Arnhem Land.


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While there's no doubt that the interaction between top end natives and Asia occured and must have introduced concepts unknown in the south, I've heard little support for the proposition that Islam was itself an influence.


According to Falah, contact with Muslims made the aborigines automatically hostile and violent (because the maccassans told them to run and hide when they saw white people).


The Macassans warned Aborigines to be wary of Europeans. The first Europeans exploration ships to visit Arnhem Land record the wariness and hostility of Aborigines, and this continued until Europeans gave up trying to settle Arnhem Land. The Macassans learnt about white people and guns from the Macassans and there are reports that Macassans sold guns to Aborigines.


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Let us read about some accounts of the farms established in Arrnhem Land


Is this because you realise how silly it was to use accounts that list climate as the dominant reason - even for individual actions alone and ignoring patterns of settlement?


Oh wait, more examples of people talking about farming the area but not actually farming it? Do you see the apttern here Falah?

Did you even read the accounts of Florida cattle station in Arnhem Land? You really are an ignoramus and a liar.


freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
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Mr. Macartney says from his experience of sugar-growing in Queensland he firmly believes that two crops could be grown annually in Florida.


How many sugar can farms are there in the NT Falah?


Might have been plenty if only the Europeans could conquer Arnhem Land

freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
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As soon as the country is dry enough to admit of stock travelling


LOL


You obviously cannot grasp the difference between cattle grazing and driving cattle through hundreds of kilometres of bush in the wet season.



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Reply #98 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:49pm
 
Freeliar will never accept that Arnhem Land is suitable for farming, regardless of what evidence is given to him.

Even when Indigenous people start farming it themsleves he says it cannot be done.

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Reply #99 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:42pm
 
Here is an account of Florida Station in East Arnhem Land after three years of operation:

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A VISIT TO FLORIDA CATTLE STATION NORTHERN TERRITORY.

[From our special reporter}

Leaving Port Darwin on October 27 in Messrs. Millar Brothers' steamer Active, we enjoyed a very pleasant run. On the 30th we sighted the Crocodile Islands, which lie about 20 miles from the land to the north of Glyde's Inlet. We were not Long in making the mouth of the inlet, and steamed up to an anchorage within about & miles of the station. Glvde's Inlet is about 3O miles in length from the mouth to the head of navigation, carrying good bold water all the way, with a width varying from about a quarter of a mile at the mouth to about 80 yards at the higher landing, where the smaller boats from Palmerston discharged station stores, at a distance of 4 or 5 miles from the station...The steaming distance from Port Darwin was computed to be about 350 miles. The Florida, Station is built on the further side of a rise from the inlet...We soon covered the 8 or 9 miles intervening between the lauding and the station, and were agreeably surprised by the appearance of the homestead. The main building ("Government House"), in fact all the station buildings, are substantially made of sawn timber, principally cypress pine, paperbark, and ironwood. The site has been admirably chosen. It is on a small hill, the end of a small range of rising ground, about 150 yards from and above a horseshoe lagoon that partially surrounds this spur of the range. It looks down on the station garden and horse paddock, and the rich grassy plains beyond. While the cook waa busy converting the flour and other stores we had just brought into toothsome viands we discussed the merits of some very fine pineapples, bananas, papayas or pawpaws, mulberries, guavas, pomegranates, melons, and passion fruit, the produce of the station garden, with which our table was laden. The rest of our stay at the homestead was devoted to an inspection of the stock...We found the cattle, with a few exceptions, in good condition...Mr. Macartney and his Manager, both of whom have had a very extended experience among cattle...Our inspection of the country was most satisfactory, grand richly-grassed plains, intersected every few miles by permanent creeks, with here and there large lagoons, proved to be permanent by the number and size of their finny denizens. The plains are divided, or framed as it were, by what appear to be gently rising hills...The tablelands are well watered by permanent creeks, which are kept always running by the frequent rains with which this part of the country is blessed; in fact so frequent are they that it may fairly be said that there is no dry season here. A record of the rainfall has not been kept, but Mr. Randell has noted that during the two years and four months or so in which Florida has been occupied, the longest spell of dry weather experienced was two months. In many particulars its climate presents a marked and very favourable contrast to that of Port Darwin. That very excellent heatgauge, butter, testifies by its solidity and rich colour that Florida must- be many degrees cooler than Port Darwin The luxuriance of the vegetation is simply wonderful. Mr. Macartney, who spent many years in the neighbourhood of some of the sugar districts of Queensland, feels confident that sugar will do splendidly on Florida.

The block of country which is comprised In the Florida Run contains an area of about 10,000 square miles, extending front a short distance west of the mouth of the Blyth River, eastward to the Gulf of Carpentaria, embracing the whole of the coastline,. with an average depth inland of about 50 miles. It takes in the Gulf coast from Caps Wessel to about the north end of Blue Mud Bay.  Travellers who have explored the coast and made short trips inland speak very highly of it. It is thought that the auriferous country that two parties of prospectors from Port Darwin, one by Bea and one by land, went in search of some years ago near Blue Mud Bay, but could not reach because of the hostility of the natives, lies in the ranges some distance to the north-west of Blue Mud Bay...the percentage' of natural in crease [of the cattle herd] had been very high and the young stock fine and strong. One point about the breeding cattle worthy of note is that they are all fertile and rear their calves. There are about 100 well-bred useful horses on the station, all in first-rate order, bearing eloquent testimony to the excellence of their pastures. The stockyards are of a decidedly modern and permanent character, well and substantially built cf bloodwood posts and paperbark rails, with good strong workmanlike gates...

...Returning to the station it struck us as remarkable and worthy of note that the plain is covered with wild rice, whether indigenous or not we cannot say. It may be possible that the Malays, who spend some months every year on this coast beche-de-mer fishing, have dropped or planted some paddy, and that this is the result. There also are found large numbers of feathered game, amongst others bustards, scrub turkeys, geese, pigmy geese, ducks, jungle fowl, emus, native companions, jaberoos, three sorts of ibis, two sorts of cranes, several kinds of pigeons, snipe, quail, parrots, cockatoos, and numberless smaller birds. There are a few kangaroos, pretty large, and very fat— vexy different in this respect from their southern congeners. The lagoons and rivers teem with fish, most of which are similar to those in Queensland waters...

...the natives along this coast are amongst the most dangerous and hostile in the Territory.

The absence of white ants will prove an especial boon to the station garden, or it will allow of the growth to maturity of the, various fruit-trees that in Port Darwin are piped out and weakened by the ant, and blown down by the first puff of wind. Among the trees in the Florida garden that seldom get a chance to mature in Darwin were noticed mangoes, guavas, papaya, oranges, lemons, cocoanuts, dates, tamarinds, and one or two other kinds of Chinese fruits. The garden also contains pomegranates, figs, sisyphus, mulberries, bananas, custard apples, pineapples, passion fruit, water and sweet melons. Among the vegetables are yams, sweet potatoes, English potatoes, eschalotts, radishes, 'long reds,' 12 to 15 inches long and 3 inches thick, 'turnip' radishes bigger than ordinary turnips, splendid lettuces with big solid hearts — quite a treat after the small leafy ones in Port Darwin — cucumbers up to 6 lb. weight, Chinese cabbage, English and Chinese beans, pie-melons, pumpkins of two kinds — one pumpkin vine yielded 622 lb. of fruit. Watermelons run up to 20 to 30 lb. weight and solid right through ; they bear all the year round. Two years ago they received a lot of fruit trees and plants from the Government Experimental Garden at Fannie Bay; amongst them were three rooted cuttings of mulberries, two of which died, and about fifty pineapple plants. When the only mulberry started into growth cuttings were made, and there are now fifteen trees, some of which are from 12 to 15 feet high, and cover a diameter of fully 20 feet. They are all loaded with fruit, rich black mulberries, quite equal for size and flavour to those grown in the southern colonies, but the great beauty about these trees is that they bear for nine months in the year, resting in June, July, and August. The fifty pineapple plants have increased to over 700, nearly all in bearing, some having two or three pines on a plant; they bear all the year round; some of the fruit taken as they came weighed 5 lb. each. With plenty of fruit all through the year, plenty of fresh milk and butter, game and fish in profusion, and cool breezes all the time, it is little wonder that all hands are healthy.' Shocked Shocked Shocked Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Cool

[South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA), Thursday 5 January 1888]
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Reply #100 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:04pm
 
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The police at Roper River report there is a rumour among the natives there that Mr. Watson, the Manager for Mr. J. A. Macartney, and one of his men have been speared by die natives at Florida Station, but the police doubt the accuracy of the statement, as they believe information would have been sent them if an attack had taken place.

[South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA) Tuesday 24 January 1893]




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Apropos to the reported Castlereagh Bay murder, it was only by the last S.S. Adelaide voyage that a young man named Hill (a connection of the firm of Hill, Clark & Co., of Sydney) went round to inspect Florida. He should have got there about the time -the murder was committed, and if so he would be in rather a queer fix himself, anticipating, as he must have done, the presence of Mr. Watson at the station, and being a perfect stranger to the locality...

...It is more than likely that the alleged murder by blacks of Watson and McKay corresponds with the reported murder in the Borroloola district, of which some mention was made last week. McKay was not long ago engaged driving between the Elsey and Pine Creek. It is a singular co- incidence that two of the same name should have met their fate under such cruel circumstances about the same time. That is, of course, assuming the Florida murder to be a fact. The co-incidence is strengthened by the report
that the man who died of thirst at Brunette Station and the man who was speared by blacks at Florida Station are brothers. Moreover, they are said to have been two of the best bushmen in the Territory...

...By the S.S. Adelaide mail a report his come to town respecting a supposed murder in the Castlereagh Bay district. The tenor of the report is that two white men-Mr. John Watson (the manager of Mr. J. A. Macartney's station properties) and a stockman named McKay were speared by blacks at Florida Station.- Information to this effect was given to Constable Scott, of the Roper River police camp, by some natives, and up to the time of the Adelaide's departure for here the constable was unable to prove whether the rumour was true or false. From all we can hear of the matter there would seem to be some very good reasons for feeling the gravest concern for the lives of the two men named...the story runs that one night while they slept in camp they were attacked by natives and killed. There is nothing improbable in the report, and we feel disposed to believe that another terrible murder will have to be added to our already overstocked criminal records

[Northern Territory Times and Gazette (Darwin, NT)
Friday 27 January 1893]
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Reply #101 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:46pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:46pm:
if only the Europeans could conquer Arnhem Land





You do not realise it, but what you are saying is that Europeans could conquer your sorry, backward, Islamic Ottoman caliphate arses in the Middle East but were powerless against some spear-wielding, bare-arse Islamic Abos in Arnhem Land.

This is what's meant by the Islamic disconnect between what you fantasize about and what actually is. But as I said, you do not realise this.

Carry on.  This is the advantage the West has over you - you just have no fooking idea how stupid you are.  Thank god you are Arabs. If you were anything else - Swiss, German, English,  we'd be fooked. Thank God Islam is Arabic.




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Reply #102 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:27am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:46pm:
falah wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:46pm:
if only the Europeans could conquer Arnhem Land





You do not realise it, but what you are saying is that Europeans could conquer your sorry, backward, Islamic Ottoman caliphate arses in the Middle East but were powerless against some spear-wielding, bare-arse Islamic Abos in Arnhem Land.

This is what's meant by the Islamic disconnect between what you fantasize about and what actually is. But as I said, you do not realise this.

Carry on.  This is the advantage the West has over you - you just have no fooking idea how stupid you are.  Thank god you are Arabs. If you were anything else - Swiss, German, English,  we'd be fooked. Thank God Islam is Arabic.





Hey mate - if you are European, why don't you frigging go live there and leave Aussies in peace with our own culture - we are sick of hearing about it.
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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #103 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:34am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:46pm:
falah wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:46pm:
if only the Europeans could conquer Arnhem Land




You do not realise it, but what you are saying is that Europeans could conquer your sorry, backward, Islamic Ottoman caliphate arses in the Middle East



You have heard of something called World War One? You know, armies mobilised and all that sort of thing.


Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:46pm:
but were powerless against some spear-wielding, bare-arse Islamic Abos in Arnhem Land.



Unfortunately you are to retarded to follow the conversation, but it has been mentioned that the frontier war in Australia was mainly fought between Aborigines and settlers not the army.

Perhaps an exception was made in Tasmania, but this genocide caused the British to much embarrassment on the international stage, so it was decided to leave the genocide up to settlers with police backing them up occasionally when things got a little too hot them to handle.

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #104 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:42am
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:27am:
Hey mate - if you are European, why don't you frigging go live there and leave Aussies in peace with our own culture - we are sick of hearing about it.


You are the guy in the middle. We are standing around, amazed and disturbed.


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