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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #135 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 8:13pm

falah wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

Freeliar, barely any of my thesis relies on the words of white Christian immigrants. It relies largely on the work of scientists such as arechaeologists, anthropologists and historians

So why do you rely so heavily on quotes from white christian immigrants who had never actually farmed the land?

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Freeliar, in my thesis can be found opinions of those experts who argue that the influence of Macassans was strong.

Influence on the aborigines, or on the pattenrs of settlement?

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Freeliar, if you were sincerely interested in the farmability of Arnhem Land you would have read the 1888 newspaper article I posted in the other thread about the farm in East Arnhem Land established in 1885:

I managed to read it earlier, despite you playing around with font's, bold and highlighting until it looked like a Shite mosque after the Sunnis pay a visit. You didn't respond to my comments about it. It appears to have been written by a white christian immigrant with zero farming experience.

On the other hand, you claim to have traveled extensively up there. Can you tell us about the Arnhem land plateau you mentioned earlier?

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Among the trees in the Florida garden that seldom get a chance to mature in Darwin were noticed mangoes, guavas, papaya, oranges, lemons, cocoanuts, dates, tamarinds, and one or two other kinds of Chinese fruits.

How valuable do you think mangoes were to farmers in the era before refrigerated transport? Even today the supermarkets in Darwin sell apples while mangoes rot on the ground.

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #136 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:15pm

falah wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Here is a better map:

http://www.environment.gov.au/soe/2011/report/land/images/lan-fig5-2-lge.png

Note that the areas not used for farming around Darwin are the rocky lands (grey) and swampy lands (blue).

As you can see from the map Freeliar, most of Arnhem Land is not rocky or swampy land so your reasoning is invalid.

Not rocky eh? So tell us about that Plateau you mentioned Falah.

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #137 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:49pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:15pm:

falah wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Here is a better map:

http://www.environment.gov.au/soe/2011/report/land/images/lan-fig5-2-lge.png

Note that the areas not used for farming around Darwin are the rocky lands (grey) and swampy lands (blue).

As you can see from the map Freeliar, most of Arnhem Land is not rocky or swampy land so your reasoning is invalid.

Not rocky eh? So tell us about that Plateau you mentioned Falah.

This would be so much easier if you had half a brain.

Freeliar, you are aware that a plateau is simply a raised area of flat land I hope.

One that I have visited is very fertile farmland. It is called the Atherton Tableland.

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The Atherton Tableland is a fertile plateau which is part of the Great Dividing Range in Queensland, Australia. It is located west to south-south-west inland from Cairns, well into the tropics, but its elevated position provides a climate suitable for dairy farming. It has an area of around 32,000 km² with an altitude ranging between 500 and 1,280 m (1,600 and 4,200 ft).[1] The fertility of the soils in the region can be attributed to the volcanic origins of the land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherton_Tableland

Now let us look at the map, how much of Arnhem Land is rocky (grey-coloured)? Not much at all.

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #138 - Jun 14^th, 2012 at 8:34am

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One that I have visited is very fertile farmland. It is called the Atherton Tableland.

What about the one you mentioned earlier that is in Arnhem Land. Is it fertile?

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Now let us look at the map, how much of Arnhem Land is rocky (grey-coloured)? Not much at all.

Does the map actually tell you where all the rocky areas are? Do you understand the map?

Do you realise it completely contradicts the one you posted earlier purporting to show the swampy areas - the one I asked you about the source for straight away and you conveniently 'forgot' where it was from? Do you realise it contradicts your previous claims that Darwin is surrounded by swampland but the Yolngu area is much better drained?

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #139 - Jun 14^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

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One that I have visited is very fertile farmland. It is called the Atherton Tableland.

What about the one you mentioned earlier that is in Arnhem Land. Is it fertile?

Yes. The plateau is in the Southwestern part of Arnhem Land it is cooler at night and has less mosquitoes than the lowlands.

The plateau was used by Arnhem Land Aborigines for hunting grass-grazing animals like kangaroos.

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #140 - Jun 14^th, 2012 at 5:47pm

falah wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

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One that I have visited is very fertile farmland. It is called the Atherton Tableland.

What about the one you mentioned earlier that is in Arnhem Land. Is it fertile?

Yes. The plateau is in the Southwestern part of Arnhem Land it is cooler at night and has less mosquitoes than the lowlands.

The plateau was used by Arnhem Land Aborigines for hunting grass-grazing animals like kangaroos.

Is that the one that is referred to as the stone country?

Is it a long way from the traditional Yolngu tribal area?

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #141 - Jun 14^th, 2012 at 7:04pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Can they earn it by cleaning my toilet etc for 50c a day? Australian cleaners charge far too much. Or is it only ethical if there is some kind of grand scheme involved that an economist has wet dreams about?

You as far as I know, are the only person mean enough to suggest 50c a day.

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Reply #142 - Jun 14^th, 2012 at 8:03pm

Grey wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Can they earn it by cleaning my toilet etc for 50c a day? Australian cleaners charge far too much. Or is it only ethical if there is some kind of grand scheme involved that an economist has wet dreams about?

You as far as I know, are the only person mean enough to suggest 50c a day.

What does your economist friend suggest is fair and would make the Ord profitable? $1 a day?

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #143 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:21am

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

Grey wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Can they earn it by cleaning my toilet etc for 50c a day? Australian cleaners charge far too much. Or is it only ethical if there is some kind of grand scheme involved that an economist has wet dreams about?

You as far as I know, are the only person mean enough to suggest 50c a day.

What does your economist friend suggest is fair and would make the Ord profitable? $1 a day?

As each asylum seeker currently costs $90,000 to detain... I'm not an economist but I reckon pay them $20,000 PA +performance bonus free board and lodgings At that rate you'd save the the $90,000 outright and probably still show a tidy profit on the operation.

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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #145 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:44pm

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What makes you think they will cost nothing to manage up in the Ord"

If you regard people as assetts rather than liabilities you'd be surprised how quickly management costs disappear.

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Would you engage the services of a multinational corporation to manage them?

The reverse might be more productive. What type of 'management' would require the services of a corporation?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49212 At my desk.	Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey Reply #146 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:19pm Well you won't get white people up there to manage the situation, and you can't just buy them a one way ticket either, even if you do warn them to look out for the crocs.
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Re: The glorious aboriginal muslim victory over whitey
Reply #148 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 12:41pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Falah, have you 'remembered' yet where you got those 'edited' maps from? If you right click on them you can see where they are hosted. It won't tell you what article or context they appeared in, but it might jog your memory a bit.

Here is a far more accurate map which demonstrates that hardly any of Arnhem Land is swamp, contrary to your earlier claims.

The blue areas are hydrosols; soils that are typically water-logged for at least part of the year.

The grey areas are vertosol areas which have similar characterisitics to hydrosol areas.

Notice that the area around Darwin which you said was not farmed is largely vertesol and hydrosol. Wheres, very little of Arnhem Land is covered by these tow soil types.

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Hydrosols

Like Vertosols, Hydrosols occupy depressions or anywhere water is likely to accumulate. Their main characteristic is seasonal saturation rather than specific soil characteristics. In the Australian Soil Classification Hydrosols can be distinguished (into Suborders) by their degree of saturation, either by marine or non-marine water.

http://vro.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/vro/gbbregn.nsf/pages/soil_soil_gbb_hydrosols

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Reply #149 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 12:56pm

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Notice that the area around Darwin which you said was not farmed is largely vertesol and hydrosol. Wheres, very little of Arnhem Land is covered by these tow soil types.

Actually Falah, it is mostly Kandosol around Darwin. This soil type also dominates in the traditional Yolngu area. What can you tell me about the agricultural potential of this type of soil?

Are you still insisting that you got your two previous misleading maps from somewhere else and that you forget where they are from?

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