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Re: Syrian religion
Reply #30 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:57pm

falah wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 11:48am:

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 8:44am:

What part of the world did Jews originally come from?

Ashkenazi jews who make up 80% of jewish population come from Europe, DNA studies prove this.

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PC1 distinguished Northern and Southern European and Jewish and Middle Eastern populations. Along this axis, Europeans were closest to Ashkenazi Jews, followed by Sephardic, Italian, Syrian, and Middle Eastern Jews. Of the European populations, the Northern Italians showed the greatest proximity to the Jews, followed by Sardinians and French (Figure 1B), an observation that was confirmed by FST (Table 1). Also along this axis, the Adygei, a Caucasian population, showed proximity to the Ashkenazi Jews...

...Two major differences among the populations in this study were the high degree of European admixture (30%–60%) among the Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Italian, and Syrian Jews and the genetic proximity of these populations to each other compared to their proximity to Iranian and Iraqi Jews...

...recorded mass conversions led to 6 million people practicing Judaism in Roman times or up to 10% of the population of the Roman Empire. Thus, the genetic proximity of these European/Syrian Jewish populations, including Ashkenazi Jews, to each other and to French, Northern Italian, and Sardinian populations favors the idea of non-Semitic Mediterranean ancestry in the formation of the European/Syrian Jewish groups...

...Admixture with local populations, including Khazars and Slavs, may have occurred subsequently during the 1000 year (2nd millennium) history of the European Jews....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/?tool=pmcentrez

It seems that falah is suggesting that as your ancestors came from germany you may very well be jewish somewhere down the line Abu.Interesting.

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Re: Syrian religion
Reply #31 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:10pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:15pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:14pm:

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 8:44am:

What part of the world did Jews originally come from?

Where they lived thousands of years ago is Irrelevant.

My ancestors in Germany 2000 years ago, doesn't mean I have a right to go and boot German families from their homes and make it my own... does it?

What do you think should be done with Israeli Jews?

Go back to their countries of origin, although those who seek asylum, and are cleared of crimes against the Palestinian people should be granted asylum.

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:15pm:

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Surely even a simpleton like you fd can see the difference between the Zionist occupation of Palestine, and a few Pakistanis opening a curry shop in East London... then again, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.

Almost all Israeli Jews immigrated legally, just like the London Pakis.

I realise you have claimed before that this immigration was illegal, but you never came up with a solid explanation for why. It just evaporated into thin air after one or two simple questions.

Come on fd, detailed this several times. Most of them came during the British occupation, and then they established a state of top of Palestine. All of this was illegal. Just because you overrun the country and then make new laws doesn't make it legal.

So you'd have no qualms with Pakistanis in London forming militias, bombing hotels, assassinating politicians, invading towns and villages massacring their inhabitants and force marching others into exile, and declaring England to be an Islamic state, then rounding all Anglos up into refugee camps? You'd say that's fair and legal?

Effectively that is what you are saying.

Someone is peddling hypocrisy here, but it certainly ain't me.

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Re: Syrian religion
Reply #32 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:13pm

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:57pm:

It seems that falah is suggesting that as your ancestors came from germany you may very well be jewish somewhere down the line Abu.Interesting.

I know you're not too quick on the uptake, but he didn't actually say "all Germans are Jews". He said Ashkenazi Jews are Germans.

Think about it for a while, and you might get it. There's an old saying we often say to kids, about fingers and thumbs, that might help you visualise it.

All thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.

But even if my ancestors were Jews, no problem for me. I have no problem with Jewish ethnicity, just with people who squat in other people's countries, and make them refugees.

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Reply #33 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:14pm

"""Quoting""" from the same article falah:

Jews originated as a national and religious group in the Middle East during the second

millennium BCE1 and have maintained continuous genetic, cultural, and religious traditions

since that time, despite a series of Diasporas.2 Middle Eastern (Iranian and Iraqi) Jews

date from communities that were formed in the Babylon and Persian Empires in the fourth to

sixth centuries BCE.

Earlier genetic studies on blood groups and serum markers suggested that Jewish Diaspora

populations had Middle Eastern origin

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Reply #34 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:23pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:13pm:

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:57pm:

It seems that falah is suggesting that as your ancestors came from germany you may very well be jewish somewhere down the line Abu.Interesting.

I know you're not too quick on the uptake, but he didn't actually say "all Germans are Jews". He said Ashkenazi Jews are Germans.

Think about it for a while, and you might get it. There's an old saying we often say to kids, about fingers and thumbs, that might help you visualise it.

All thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.

But even if my ancestors were Jews, no problem for me. I have no problem with Jewish ethnicity,

just with people who squat in other people's countries, and make them refugees.

I take it you are of Australian aboriginal descent then?

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Reply #35 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:27pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 2:05am:

Don't lie, you are shaking in your boots at the prospect of Assad, Mubarak, Qadhafi and all the other Zionist lackeys getting their marching orders.

Without these treasonous dogs to hold their people down, your trespass in Palestine is over buddy.

Pack your bags and polish up your Czech passport, you're gonna need it.

You should thank your sky pixie, Allah, everyday that Israel shows constraint. If it truly desired, it could wipe those countries off the face of the planet. The very fact that Israel shows constraint means they possess integrity. Not many have the luxury and fortitude of possessing huge power and be able to constrain or moderate that use of power. I guess it's something you Muslims will never experience.
Good day to you.

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Re: Syrian religion
Reply #36 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:32pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:15pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:14pm:

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 8:44am:

What part of the world did Jews originally come from?

Where they lived thousands of years ago is Irrelevant.

My ancestors in Germany 2000 years ago, doesn't mean I have a right to go and boot German families from their homes and make it my own... does it?

What do you think should be done with Israeli Jews?

Go back to their countries of origin, although those who seek asylum, and are cleared of crimes against the Palestinian people should be granted asylum.

I see, so you speak out against that sort of thing, but in the next breath call for the mass forced migration of Jews, many of whom have lived there for centuries?

Is Islam responsible for this astonishing level of hypocrisy?

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Syrian religion Reply #37 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:42pm I do not have Czech passport. Czech is nothing to do with me. Look at the mass migration of muslims to country which is not theirs. Why are you in a white country now?
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Reply #38 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:52pm

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Come on fd, detailed this several times. Most of them came during the British occupation, and then they established a state of top of Palestine. All of this was illegal.

We 'went over it' which involved you making the claim that the immigration was illegal, then running away. Here is a thread where you can put forward the legal argument.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338682650

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: Syrian religion
Reply #39 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:23pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:13pm:

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:57pm:

It seems that falah is suggesting that as your ancestors came from germany you may very well be jewish somewhere down the line Abu.Interesting.

I know you're not too quick on the uptake, but he didn't actually say "all Germans are Jews". He said Ashkenazi Jews are Germans.

Think about it for a while, and you might get it. There's an old saying we often say to kids, about fingers and thumbs, that might help you visualise it.

All thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.

But even if my ancestors were Jews, no problem for me. I have no problem with Jewish ethnicity,

just with people who squat in other people's countries, and make them refugees.

I take it you are of Australian aboriginal descent then?

Your silence is deafening abu...if you are not of Australian aboriginal descent then perhaps you have a problem with yourself as you have stated.

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Reply #40 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 10:22am

brumbie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 8:44am:

What part of the world did Jews originally come from?

Abraham [the father of the Jewish people] came from what is modern day Iraq.

Genesis 11:31
And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

Genesis 12:1
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #41 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 10:44am

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Islam permits such hypocrisy.

It is all about setting different standards for Muslims and non-Muslims.

Even the non-Muslims get different standards applied to them by the Muslims based on how pagan they are.

Exactly so.

e.g.
Moslem men may pursue, seduce and convert, and thereby marry, non-moslem women.

But ISLAM states that non-moslem men may NOT marry, moslem women.

Which is the motivation for many 'honour' killings.

"Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe:....."
Koran 2.221

The term 'honour' killing is a misnomer.

'Honour' killings are about apostasy, and the killing of apostates [i.e. those moslems who 'turn' and decide to reject ISLAM's authority], NOT about 'honour'.

'Honour' killings in Western nations should be reported for what they are, the murder of moslem apostates [by members of the moslem community].

Which within ISLAMIC law, is a fully 'lawful' killing.

The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Syrian religion
Reply #42 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:57pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:32pm:

I see, so you speak out against that sort of thing, but in the next breath call for the mass forced migration of Jews, many of whom have lived there for centuries?

Lived there for centuries? What have you been smoking fd?

Please provide some evidence to show that "many" of them have lived there for centuries.

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Re: Syrian religion
Reply #44 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:14pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 1:52pm:

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Come on fd, detailed this several times. Most of them came during the British occupation, and then they established a state of top of Palestine. All of this was illegal.

We 'went over it' which involved you making the claim that the immigration was illegal, then running away. Here is a thread where you can put forward the legal argument.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338682650

fd, it's a well known historical fact that the vast majority of Zionists who entered Palestine, did so illegally, and setup a state there through a process of deceit and violence.

The fact you're unfamilar with this, just highlights how poorly read you are on the topic.

Here's a few sources for you to begin with:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:E2YjVw-ob4wJ:www.turkishstudies.net/s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah_Bet

http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/judentum-aktenlage/migration/EncJud_migrat...

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