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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism Reply #30 - Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:57pm "I preferred to become a Muslim because Muslims did not kill." I seem to forget ... was Osama bin hiding buddist? and how many muslims were in the twin towers?
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #31 - Jun 8^th, 2012 at 8:09pm

falah wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Falah, would you be interested in explaining how your views on how Israeli Jews should be treated reflects Muhammed's example rather than Hitler's example?

Freeliar, Hitler wanted to expel Jews from Europe, and ended overseeing the death of many of them.

I propose that Jews be allowed to live in Europe.

The Jews are welcome to live in an Islamic state as soon as they return stolen property and pay compensation for their crimes.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Also, it appears to me that Sunni Islam's approach to Shites is even worse than their treatment of Jews. Could you comment on that?

Freeliar you always speak lies. Why don't you explain what your "take" on it is then i can tell you that you are wrong.

why do you live in a white person's christian country and think it is ok?

We let Muslims live in Israel.

But Muslim countries do not allow me in on my Israel passport.

Muslims are very hypocrtics a lot of the time

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #32 - Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:01am

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

"I preferred to become a Muslim because Muslims did not kill."

I seem to forget ... was Osama bin hiding buddist? and how many muslims were in the twin towers?

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."...

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-su...

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #33 - Jun 9^th, 2012 at 8:32am

falah wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

"I preferred to become a Muslim because Muslims did not kill."

I seem to forget ... was Osama bin hiding buddist? and how many muslims were in the twin towers?

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."...

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-su...

falah if you believe that you'd believe anything ... Ivan milat also says he was innocent ... Ok, for the sake of argument, the terrorists on the planes that took out the towers then ... or are they also claiming it wasn't them? ...

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #34 - Jun 9^th, 2012 at 9:16am

falah wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

"I preferred to become a Muslim because Muslims did not kill."

I seem to forget ... was Osama bin hiding buddist? and how many muslims were in the twin towers?

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."...

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-su...

Falah didn't you explain recently that the Taliban would have been forced to kick Osama out if he had admitted to it - and also that deception is part of war? In this context, can you explain how to rationally interpret this claim?

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #35 - Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:26pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

falah wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:01am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

"I preferred to become a Muslim because Muslims did not kill."

I seem to forget ... was Osama bin hiding buddist? and how many muslims were in the twin towers?

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."...

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-su...

Falah didn't you explain recently that the Taliban would have been forced to kick Osama out if he had admitted to it - and also that deception is part of war? In this context, can you explain how to rationally interpret this claim?

Freeliar, it is has already been explained that the type of deception in warfare only means concealing military secrets such as ongoing war strategies or locations of armies and weapons, etc.

Straight-out lying about criminal events is not allowed in Islam.

Are you suggesting that Sep 11 was a part of some war?

Bin Laden was not the leader of any country, so does not have the right to make war on anyone

You are suggesting that the religious Bin Laden was knowingly committing sins?

It is a sin to disobey the leader of the Islamic state. Why would Bin Laden do this?

It is a sin to lie. Why would Bin Laden do it?

It is a sin to kill non-combatants. Why would Bin Laden do it?

The US changed its mind on the issue anyway. First they said Bin Laden was the mastermind behind Sep11, now they say it is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

Who is the real mastermind Freeliar?

Why did the US change its mind?

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #37 - Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:53pm

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Freeliar, it is has already been explained that the type of deception in warfare only means concealing military secrets such as ongoing war strategies or locations of armies and weapons, etc.

Osama declared war on the US. It was ongoing according to him. 9/11 was part of his strategy. Why wouldn't he lie about it?

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Are you suggesting that Sep 11 was a part of some war?

Like I said, Osama declared war on the US and had carried out a series of attacks, all in an attempt to get the US to notice he was at war with them. With 9/11, the US noticed, so there was no need for him to claim responsibility.

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Bin Laden was not the leader of any country, so does not have the right to make war on anyone

Is this an Islamic principle? It didn't stop him declaring war did it? Nor did the Taliban feel obligued to kick him out.

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You are suggesting that the religious Bin Laden was knowingly committing sins?

Sure, but I am also sure that like you, he had an excuse for every evil thing done by Muslims. You hardly inspire confidence with your excuses.

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It is a sin to disobey the leader of the Islamic state. Why would Bin Laden do this?

Who says he disobeyed? You are having trouble getting your head around the concept of 'lying about your military strategy' aren't you Falah?

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It is a sin to lie. Why would Bin Laden do it?

You just told us why.

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It is a sin to kill non-combatants. Why would Bin Laden do it?

I thought it was only an Islamic sin to kill the 'innocent' (and Islam even stretches the emaning of innocent doesnt it)? Were the 500 Jews slaughtered by Muhammed in Medina all combatants? You yourself outlined plans to kill a lot of Australians, Americans, British, Iranian etc people. None of the examples you gave were combatants. Why do you seem to change your mind about what Islam permits? How are the people in the twin towers any less guilty than the 500 Jews in Medina?

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The US changed its mind on the issue anyway. First they said Bin Laden was the mastermind behind Sep11, now they say it is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

Bin Laden was the leader. Khalid was the 'architect' of the attacks. Someone else lead them into 'battle'. Khalid also headed up AQ's propaganda operations (so funny you should bring him up in this context). A bit like Hitler and Goering perhaps. Surely this is not too confusing a concept?

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Why did the US change its mind?

Who says they changed their mind? Only you.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism Reply #39 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 7:08pm Breaking News Pilgrimages have started to bin laden's burial site. Falah, Abu I have a mate who has a boat I can get him to drop you off if you like. [media]C:\Users\user\Desktop\guided tours.jpg[media
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49402 At my desk.	Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism Reply #40 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 7:06pm Let me know if I left anything out. http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism
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Reply #41 - Aug 1^st, 2015 at 11:20pm

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Let me know if I left anything out.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

Untermentch = kaffir/dhimmi???

Is it really true???? Am I, a blond and blue eyed aryan an untermentch, a mere kaffir or dhimmi to Muslims?

Gandy, is this true? Really??

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #42 - Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 2:18am

Soren wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 11:20pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Let me know if I left anything out.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

Untermentch = kaffir/dhimmi???

Is it really true???? Am I, a blond and blue eyed aryan an untermentch, a mere kaffir or dhimmi to Muslims?

Gandy, is this true? Really??

Sad

It must be, old boy. It’s in the Wiki.

Gandalf has been cunningly hiding his true intentions here for the past three years. He’s been mendaciously pretending to be more open, more tolerant and more freeeeedom-loving than you could ever be, and do you know?

It’s all a sinister ruse to catch you. Google: taqiyya. When you least expect it, expect it.

Out with it, G, the jig’s up. You’re a dirty Nazi after all.

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #43 - Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 8:53am

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Gandalf has been cunningly hiding his true intentions here for the past three years. He’s been mendaciously pretending to be more open, more tolerant and more freeeeedom-loving than you could ever be, and do you know?

It’s all a sinister ruse to catch you. Google: taqiyya. When you least expect it, expect it.

Sounds it a bit like those racist anti-Islam protestors with the tinted speaker that you were banging on about.

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #44 - Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:03pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 8:53am:

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Gandalf has been cunningly hiding his true intentions here for the past three years. He’s been mendaciously pretending to be more open, more tolerant and more freeeeedom-loving than you could ever be, and do you know?

It’s all a sinister ruse to catch you. Google: taqiyya. When you least expect it, expect it.

Sounds it a bit like those racist anti-Islam protestors with the tinted speaker that you were banging on about.

Excuse me, that tinted speaker was defending the freeeeedoms of decent white people everywhere. He should be commended.

I think you need to put your point of view in the porkies thread, FD. It’s most educational.

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