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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #45 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 8:11pm
 


Worse than Nazism.
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Reply #46 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 7:56pm
 
The Square and the Tower
Networks, Hierarchies and the struggle for global power
Niall Ferguson
Chapter 37, page 222, The Leader Principle

Most fascist regimes started out by royal or aristocratic appointment, then swiftly centralised power. Nazism was different. In terms of votes, fascism was a disproportionately German phenomenon. Within Germany it attracted support across the geographic (including city vs country), social and conventional political spectrum, in an almost fractal geographic pattern. The Catholic centre party was more resilient than the parties previously supported mainly by protestants. The author describes Hitler as "going viral". From the book:

To many observers it seemed like a religious awakening. One Sturmabteilung serrgeant explained: 'Our opponents therefore committed a fundamental error when equating us as a party with the Economic Party, the Democrats or the Marxist parties. All these parties were only interest groups, they lacked soul, spiritual ties. Adolf Hitler emerged as bearer of a new political religion.' The Nazis developed a self-conscious liturgy, with November 9 (the date of the 1918 Revolution and the failed 1923 Beer Hall putsch) as a Day of Mourning, complete with fires, wreaths, altars, blood-stained relics and even a Nazi book of martyrs. Initiates into the elite Schutzstaffel (SS) had to incant a catechism with lines like "We believe in God, we believe in Germany which He created ... and in the Führer ... whom He has sent us.' It was not just that Christ was more or less overtly supplanted by Hitler in the iconography and liturgy of 'the brown cult'. As the SS magazine Das Schwarze Korps argued, the very ethical foundation of Christianity had to go too: 'The abstruse doctrine of Original Sin ... indeed the whole notion of sin as set forth by the Church ... is something intolerable to Nordic man, since it is incompatible with the “heroic” ideology of our blood.'8 The Nazis' opponents also recognized the pseudo-religious character of the movement. As the Catholic exile Eric Voegelin put it, Nazism was 'an ideology akin to Christian heresies of redemption in the here and now ... fused with post-Enlightenment doctrines of social transformation'. The journalist Konrad Heiden called Hitler 'a pure fragment of the modern mass soul' whose speeches always ended 'in overjoyed redemption'. An anonymous Social Democrat called the Nazi regime a 'counter-church'. Yet Nazism was not literally religious: the institutional seedbed from which it sprouted was the existing network of secular associational life in Germany.  The denser the associational life in a town, the faster the Nazi party grew.

Like a church and like the Bolshevik party before it, the Nazi party became more hierarchical as it grew.

Where Stalin favoured obsessive-compulsive control, Hitler preferred a more chaotic style of government, in which the old hierarchy of the Reich government competed with the new hierarchy of the party and, later, the even newer hierarchy of the Security Service (Sicherheitsdienst). Historians have sometimes represented the system as one of 'polycratic chaos', whereby ambiguous orders and overlapping jurisdictions gave rise to a 'cumulative radicalization', as rival individuals and agencies competed to carry out what they took to be the Führer's wishes. The result was a mixture of inefficiency, egregious corruption and escalating violence against all groups deemed to lie outside the 'ethnic community' – the Volksgemeinschaft – especially the Jews.
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #47 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 3:22pm
 
What is th difference between nazism and islam?

Totalitarianism is a political doctrine that seeks to control all aspects of a society, its economy, its laws and government, its culture.


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islam is?
Islam is a complete way of life, a total civilization, not just a religion. It is also a culture and a political system of Sharia laws which establish its supremacy. There is no aspect of personal and public life that is not included in the Sharia.

Not just Muslims but all people must submit to the Sharia. The very name, Islam, means to submit, submit to Mohammed and the Koran in all things: religious, political and cultural.

Mohammed practiced totalitarianism. All people around him had to submit to his demands
. After Arabia submitted, Mohammed left Arabia and began his mission to have Sharia rule the world.

Both the Koran and Mohammed command the terror of jihad on non-Muslims or Kafirs until Islam dominates. After Mohammed died, the caliphs killed all apostates and conquered all the Middle East and northern Africa.

After Islam enters a society, over time, the society becomes totally Islamic. This is totalitarianism.
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nazi germany was?
Nazi Germany is the common English name for the period in German history from 1933 to 1945, when Germany was under the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler through the Nazi Party (NSDAP). Under Hitler's rule, Germany was transformed into a totalitarian state in which the Nazi Party controlled nearly all aspects of life

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #48 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #49 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

It is valid.

Culture trumps politics. Islam's totalitarian cultural outlook is like every other totalitarian culture's outlook. There is no significant cultural difference between fascism, stalinism, the muslim caliphate, maoism and the rest even if their politics (the daily grind of particular place and time) may vary here and there a bit.
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #50 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 4:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

It is valid.

Culture trumps politics. Islam's totalitarian cultural outlook is like every other totalitarian culture's outlook. There is no significant cultural difference between fascism, stalinism, the muslim caliphate, maoism and the rest even if their politics (the daily grind of particular place and time) may vary here and there a bit.


Or Christianity, or Judaism or Hinduism or Shintoism or Daoism or any other religion, Soren.  All are totalitarian in that they seek to control all aspects of life and thought.  Islam is no different.   Muslims like Christians like Hindus like Shinto and so on however vary as to how much they believe and they obey the dictates of the religion they claim to believe in.   Some do it more than others, some do it less.  You, like most Islamophobes appear to believe all Muslims are 100% believers and 100% obeyers of what the Koran says.  Tell me, do Christians do what the Bible tells them to do?  No?  Does that make them less Christian then?  What then of the Muslims who don't do what the Koran preaches?  Are they less Muslim?  Yes?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #51 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 5:37pm
 
islam has decrees and physical punishments for breaking said edicts.

My understanding is that Christianity has decrees with no physical punishments for transgressing said rules.

I thought that Christians are to repent and seek forgiveness for their sins through faith in Christ.

islam ===== beheading, stoning, amputating limbs, honour killing etc. all to the honour and glory of allah.

Christianity ===== repentance, faith in the grace of God.

The two beliefs are the antithesis of each other.

Why do the loony leftards seek to muddy the waters, when it comes exposing the filth and depravity of islam?
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #52 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 6:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

It is valid.

Culture trumps politics. Islam's totalitarian cultural outlook is like every other totalitarian culture's outlook. There is no significant cultural difference between fascism, stalinism, the muslim caliphate, maoism and the rest even if their politics (the daily grind of particular place and time) may vary here and there a bit.


Or Christianity, or Judaism or Hinduism or Shintoism or Daoism or any other religion, Soren.  All are totalitarian in that they seek to control all aspects of life and thought.  Islam is no different.   Muslims like Christians like Hindus like Shinto and so on however vary as to how much they believe and they obey the dictates of the religion they claim to believe in.   Some do it more than others, some do it less.  You, like most Islamophobes appear to believe all Muslims are 100% believers and 100% obeyers of what the Koran says.  Tell me, do Christians do what the Bible tells them to do?  No?  Does that make them less Christian then?  What then of the Muslims who don't do what the Koran preaches?  Are they less Muslim?  Yes?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Christ was saintly, Mohammed a monster.

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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #53 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:56pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 5:37pm:
islam has decrees and physical punishments for breaking said edicts.

My understanding is that Christianity has decrees with no physical punishments for transgressing said rules.

I thought that Christians are to repent and seek forgiveness for their sins through faith in Christ.


Tell that to the millions that Christians have punished for believing is something slightly different to what the mainstream believed, Moses.  You know, the hundreds of thousands of women declared to be, "witches"?  The millions of those declared to be heretics.  All punished physically by Christians who declared them well, to be, "heretics".

Doctrinaire Islam has edicts.  So do does doctrinaire Christianity.  The two are directly comparable.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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islam ===== beheading, stoning, amputating limbs, honour killing etc. all to the honour and glory of allah.

Christianity ===== repentance, faith in the grace of God.

The two beliefs are the antithesis of each other.


The two beliefs are founded on the one religion, Moses.  Christianity, Islam are both developments of Judaism.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Why do the loony leftards seek to muddy the waters, when it comes exposing the filth and depravity of islam?


Why don't you recognise that you cannot claim your religion is somehow superior when the evidence demonstrates otherwise, Moses?  Mmm?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #54 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 6:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

It is valid.

Culture trumps politics. Islam's totalitarian cultural outlook is like every other totalitarian culture's outlook. There is no significant cultural difference between fascism, stalinism, the muslim caliphate, maoism and the rest even if their politics (the daily grind of particular place and time) may vary here and there a bit.


Or Christianity, or Judaism or Hinduism or Shintoism or Daoism or any other religion, Soren.  All are totalitarian in that they seek to control all aspects of life and thought.  Islam is no different.   Muslims like Christians like Hindus like Shinto and so on however vary as to how much they believe and they obey the dictates of the religion they claim to believe in.   Some do it more than others, some do it less.  You, like most Islamophobes appear to believe all Muslims are 100% believers and 100% obeyers of what the Koran says.  Tell me, do Christians do what the Bible tells them to do?  No?  Does that make them less Christian then?  What then of the Muslims who don't do what the Koran preaches?  Are they less Muslim?  Yes?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Christ was saintly, Mohammed a monster.


Approximately 1.6 million people believe otherwise, Soren.  You are one man, you have a warped opinion.  QED.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #55 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 10:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 6:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

It is valid.

Culture trumps politics. Islam's totalitarian cultural outlook is like every other totalitarian culture's outlook. There is no significant cultural difference between fascism, stalinism, the muslim caliphate, maoism and the rest even if their politics (the daily grind of particular place and time) may vary here and there a bit.


Or Christianity, or Judaism or Hinduism or Shintoism or Daoism or any other religion, Soren.  All are totalitarian in that they seek to control all aspects of life and thought.  Islam is no different.   Muslims like Christians like Hindus like Shinto and so on however vary as to how much they believe and they obey the dictates of the religion they claim to believe in.   Some do it more than others, some do it less.  You, like most Islamophobes appear to believe all Muslims are 100% believers and 100% obeyers of what the Koran says.  Tell me, do Christians do what the Bible tells them to do?  No?  Does that make them less Christian then?  What then of the Muslims who don't do what the Koran preaches?  Are they less Muslim?  Yes?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Christ was saintly, Mohammed a monster.


Approximately 1.6 million people believe otherwise, Soren.  You are one man, you have a warped opinion.  QED.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How is that a valid argument?

Aztecs belived human sacrifice to be a good thing. Are you suspending judgement because you are not an Aztec???


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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #56 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 11:46pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 10:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 6:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

It is valid.

Culture trumps politics. Islam's totalitarian cultural outlook is like every other totalitarian culture's outlook. There is no significant cultural difference between fascism, stalinism, the muslim caliphate, maoism and the rest even if their politics (the daily grind of particular place and time) may vary here and there a bit.


Or Christianity, or Judaism or Hinduism or Shintoism or Daoism or any other religion, Soren.  All are totalitarian in that they seek to control all aspects of life and thought.  Islam is no different.   Muslims like Christians like Hindus like Shinto and so on however vary as to how much they believe and they obey the dictates of the religion they claim to believe in.   Some do it more than others, some do it less.  You, like most Islamophobes appear to believe all Muslims are 100% believers and 100% obeyers of what the Koran says.  Tell me, do Christians do what the Bible tells them to do?  No?  Does that make them less Christian then?  What then of the Muslims who don't do what the Koran preaches?  Are they less Muslim?  Yes?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Christ was saintly, Mohammed a monster.


Approximately 1.6 million people believe otherwise, Soren.  You are one man, you have a warped opinion.  QED.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How is that a valid argument?

Aztecs belived human sacrifice to be a good thing. Are you suspending judgement because you are not an Aztec???


You appear to have problems with understanding that 1.6 billion people is a whole of believing, Soren for you to counter with your own views.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #57 - Aug 30th, 2020 at 7:59am
 
Brian why do you think it is a logical fallacy to compare Islam and Nazism?
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Reply #58 - Aug 30th, 2020 at 9:11am
 
Wasn't Nazism just Germany's way of trying to be like the USA - but in Europe?
Britain had to win, because it's the USA's 'representative' in Europe, not Germany.
A Europe - that is moving away from the old destructive Politics, Military and Religious influences.
Medicine and Music is proving to be some that take Europe into the future - while Politics, Military and Religion hold Europe in the past.
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Re: Parallels between Islam and Nazism
Reply #59 - Aug 30th, 2020 at 2:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 11:46pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 10:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 6:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 4:52pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 10:38pm:
You really cannot compare the Nazis to the Muslims, Set.  It is a logical fallacy to do so.  It is comparing apples and oranges.  I thought better of you, Set.  It appears I was mistaken. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Did they teach you that it was a logical fallacy in your doctor of divinity?

Can you share your reasoning?

Is this a valid comparison?

http://ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_vs_Nazism

It is valid.

Culture trumps politics. Islam's totalitarian cultural outlook is like every other totalitarian culture's outlook. There is no significant cultural difference between fascism, stalinism, the muslim caliphate, maoism and the rest even if their politics (the daily grind of particular place and time) may vary here and there a bit.


Or Christianity, or Judaism or Hinduism or Shintoism or Daoism or any other religion, Soren.  All are totalitarian in that they seek to control all aspects of life and thought.  Islam is no different.   Muslims like Christians like Hindus like Shinto and so on however vary as to how much they believe and they obey the dictates of the religion they claim to believe in.   Some do it more than others, some do it less.  You, like most Islamophobes appear to believe all Muslims are 100% believers and 100% obeyers of what the Koran says.  Tell me, do Christians do what the Bible tells them to do?  No?  Does that make them less Christian then?  What then of the Muslims who don't do what the Koran preaches?  Are they less Muslim?  Yes?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Christ was saintly, Mohammed a monster.


Approximately 1.6 million people believe otherwise, Soren.  You are one man, you have a warped opinion.  QED.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How is that a valid argument?

Aztecs belived human sacrifice to be a good thing. Are you suspending judgement because you are not an Aztec???


You appear to have problems with understanding that 1.6 billion people is a whole of believing, Soren for you to counter with your own views.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Bandwagon Fallacy
Just because a significant population of people believe a proposition is true, doesn't automatically make it true. Popularity alone is not enough to validate an argument, though it's often used as a standalone justification of validity.

Also known as...

Argumentum ad populum
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