Australian Politics Forum - Diamond Jubilee

Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Diamond Jubilee Reply #45 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 4:36pm That's rich, we should get tomorrow off too. The royal family are so sexist.......joking Annie (I used to be a fan)
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Gretsch New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13 Gender:	Re: Diamond Jubilee Reply #46 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:43am bugger the queen
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Reply #47 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:39am

In the 2012 Heritage Foundation rankings of global economic freedom, eight of the top ten nations are current or former realms of the Crown, including the top four: Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand. So are about half of the 20 economies with the highest GDP per capita, and for large countries with populations over 20 million the top three is an Anglosphere sweep: Australia, Canada, the United States. Three-sevenths of the G7 are nations of British descent, and so are two-fifths of the permanent members of the UN Security Council. Of course, no record is unblemished, and in the fringes and fag-ends of empire lurk Gaza, Pakistan and Zimbabwe.
Nevertheless, from South Africa to India, today the key regional powers in almost every corner of the globe are British-derived — and, even among the lesser players, as a general rule you’re better off for having been exposed to British rule than not: Why is Haiti Haiti and Barbados Barbados?

The Queen could say this, in one almighty blow-out Christmas message to remember, but it’s not her style.

Is the monarchy anything to do with the unrivaled record of the Britannic inheritance? Working for the Free French in London during the war, Simone Weil found herself pondering why, among the European powers, only England had maintained ‘a centuries-old tradition of liberty’. She was struck by the paradox of the Westminster system — that ultimate power is vested in one who cannot wield it in any practical sense. Endowing the sovereignty of the nation in an absentee monarch — as Australia does — is an even more exquisite refinement of the Weil theory: vesting power in its literal rather than merely political absence.

What Malcolm Turnbull objects to most — she doesn’t live here! — is what I find most appealing. A minimalist monarchy is perhaps the most benign form of government one could devise — except that no hyper-rationalist would ever ‘devise’ such a thing at all.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/politics/2012/june/vivat-regina

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Reply #48 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:18pm

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

In the 2012 Heritage Foundation rankings of global economic freedom, eight of the top ten nations are current or former realms of the Crown, including the top four: Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand.

Sounds pretty dodgy to me.

Hong Kong is ruled by the Chinese communist party dictatorship.

Singapore has been ruled by the Lee family for more than 40 years and public gatherings a banned. Opposition party politicians are often bankrupted out of existence with defamation lawsuits - one of them fled to Australia, and I have met him. Singaporean are required to carry ID cards that show the person's race. Minority races are forbidden from joining elite military groups. There are also strict limits on where ethnic groups are allowed to live.

Australia has some of the most draconian "anti-terror" laws in the world, and no charter of human rights.

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

So are about half of the 20 economies with the highest GDP per capita, and for large countries with populations over 20 million the top three is an Anglosphere sweep: Australia, Canada, the United States.

The US is hardly a model of freedom with its use of torture, renditions and indefinite detentions.

Guantanamo is the pinnacle of US freedom is it?

look at how the Us deals with public protest and you will what they think of freedom:

Freedom US-style:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

Three-sevenths of the G7 are nations of British descent,

Stealing other people's wealth is not an indicator of goodness

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

and so are two-fifths of the permanent members of the UN Security Council.

Most of the other nations of the world are against the nuclear armaments that gave the 5 permanent members their permanency in the first place.

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

today the key regional powers in almost every corner of the globe are British-derived

If you ignore the players such as China, Russia, France, Iran, Brazil, Indonesia, Turkey and North Korea, then sure.

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

— and, even among the lesser players, as a general rule you’re better off for having been exposed to British rule than not: Why is Haiti Haiti and Barbados Barbados?

Really? Indonesia and the Philippines are far more free and democratic than the former English colonies of southeast Asia like Malaysia and Singapore. Indonesia's economic growth rate

Indonesia's economy is powering ahead

So is Turkey's:

The Anglo worlds economies are not doing too well are they? Unless you include India and South Africa in there.

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Reply #49 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:49pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:07am:

If we did away with the monarchy what would they do? Where would they go? They have no idea about life as normal ppl live it.

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Sterilise them so they can't breed or interbreed and put them in a refugee camp. The royal real estate can be used for the homeless.

Heh do the poms have camps? I think thats just us and the yanks. Yeah put them on the boat to australia like convicts. Let them stand in a queue @ centerlink.

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http://millionsoulsaware.org/

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Reply #50 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:56pm

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:07am:

If we did away with the monarchy what would they do? Where would they go? They have no idea about life as normal ppl live it.

SOB

Sterilise them so they can't breed or interbreed and put them in a refugee camp. The royal real estate can be used for the homeless.

Heh do the poms have camps? I think thats just us and the yanks. Yeah put them on the boat to australia like convicts. Let them stand in a queue @ centerlink.

SOB

See link below.

http://millionsoulsaware.org/

Yeah I am aware they have refugees as do most countries. I was wondering if they lock them away like us.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Diamond Jubilee Reply #51 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 1:27pm Whats disgusting is watching the queen play with actual diamonds. The amount of people that would have died in Africa for her and her elitist friends to get their hands on them would be in the millions now.
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Reply #52 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:07pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 7:07am:

If we did away with the monarchy what would they do? Where would they go? They have no idea about life as normal ppl live it.

SOB

Sterilise them so they can't breed or interbreed and put them in a refugee camp. The royal real estate can be used for the homeless.

Heh do the poms have camps? I think thats just us and the yanks. Yeah put them on the boat to australia like convicts. Let them stand in a queue @ centerlink.

SOB

See link below.

http://millionsoulsaware.org/

Yeah I am aware they have refugees as do most countries. I was wondering if they lock them away like us.

SOB

The link provided a map of camps world wide.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Diamond Jubilee Reply #53 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:10pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 1:27pm: Whats disgusting is watching the queen play with actual diamonds. The amount of people that would have died in Africa for her and her elitist friends to get their hands on them would be in the millions now. And you "know" they are African diamonds?
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Reply #54 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:26pm

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Whats disgusting is watching the queen play with actual diamonds. The amount of people that would have died in Africa for her and her elitist friends to get their hands on them would be in the millions now.

And you "know" they are African diamonds?

Irrelevant really

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Reply #55 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:46pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

Whats disgusting is watching the queen play with actual diamonds. The amount of people that would have died in Africa for her and her elitist friends to get their hands on them would be in the millions now.

And you "know" they are African diamonds?

Irrelevant really

Yes, you are. However I am trying my best to accommodate you.

Considering you made the claim, how is it now irrelevant?

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