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Reply #105 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 9:09am

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They have a choice to either accept a tiny little portion of their land, and let some foreigners come and live in their homes, whilst they rot in refugee camps?

My understanding of international law is that this is correct - Israel may seize land from invading countries. Whether those people rot in refugee camps is really up to those other neighbouring countries, who are also blockading. It's a bit rich to blame Israel for them. My guess is that like Abu and Falah, those neighbouring countries want to prolong the suffering and violence until one day they can have their glorious military victory over Israel.

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Reply #106 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 10:04am

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 9:09am:

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They have a choice to either accept a tiny little portion of their land, and let some foreigners come and live in their homes, whilst they rot in refugee camps?

My understanding of international law is that this is correct - Israel may seize land from invading countries. Whether those people rot in refugee camps is really up to those other neighbouring countries, who are also blockading. It's a bit rich to blame Israel for them. My guess is that like Abu and Falah, those neighbouring countries want to prolong the suffering and violence until one day they can have their glorious military victory over Israel.

"Israel" is the invading entity, that is entirely built upon seized land.

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Re: How Islam Saved The Jews
Reply #108 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 2:57pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Abu, are you referring to the entire nation of Israel?

There is no such nation.

I am referring to the Zionist outpost that is currently polluting all of Palestine.

So the nation of Israel is a figment of our collective imagination?

FD,

That is absolutely true!

Just ask a moslem.

Coz, we all know, that moslems are scrupulously honest.
/sarc off

Yadda wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 11:56am:

.......According to ISLAM, there is only one true religion [i.e. ISLAM].

And according to ISLAM, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus were all prophets of ISLAM, and so [according to ISLAM], these Biblical persons were devout 'believers', i.e. true moslems.

My House is Mine; Your House is Mine Too!
by Syed Kamran Mirza
http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/my_house_is_mine.htm

Google;
abraham moses david jesus "prophets of islam" were muslims

Allah gave the Torah to Moses.
.......we all know that Allah wouldn't give his scripture to Jews!
Spit, spit!

Moses received the Torah from Allah.
It says so, in the Koran...
Koran 3.2-3
Koran 5.66-69
"The inerrant Koran"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0#0

Google;
Torah is scripture, from Allah

......What about the history of ancient Israel, recorded in the Bible ???

According to moslems today, those accounts of the people [Jews], was myth, a lie, 'made up', fabricated, by Jews.

And the historic account of a 'Jewish' temple in Jerusalem?

That, also is another myth/lie, fabricated, by Jews.

Those temples were moslem temples!!!

ISLAMIC evidence for such claims ???

They, moslems say so.

And moslems would never, ever, lie!!
/sarc off

Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed
March 15, 2007
"....The Jewish Temples never existed.......descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628

Temple Mount '100% Islamic'
June 01, 2008
"....Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel, argued the Jewish Temples never existed,...."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65919

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How Islam Saved The Jews
Reply #109 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 3:37pm

Soren wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

Actually according to your logic yes aussies should give australia to the aboriginals and americans should give america to the indians.

Don't count on Avraham actually realising he just made the case against himself.

it does.
We were in the Holy Land first and God Himself gave us the land.

So it does say it should be us by this logic.

Where is this supposed "god" now? Why isnt he fixing your problems?

SOB

What problem? Israel is a successful, thriving country, even as it is surrounded and threatened by poor, incompetent yet hostile muslim countries with much, much greater populations, territories and resources. What do they all have in common? They are Arabs and Islamic.

There would be no Israel if they were surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile vikings or Swiss or Germans.

That's why the Jews are grateful and rightly say, 'thank god we have the Arabs for enemies'.

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'thank god we have the Arabs for enemies'

ROFLOL

Exactly so, Soren!! Grin

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Ezekiel 37:21
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How Islam Saved The Jews
Reply #110 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 4:01pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

Ok so nothing for you to worry about, go back to your dreary old miserable life and stop concerning yourself with the affairs of Muslims.

By your own admission we cannot amount to anything, so you are safe, carry on then.

Believe me, I would love to be oblivious to Muslims beyond bellydancing and fantastic tales of flying carpets. But the bvggers never cease get into our faces and push their primitive and aggressive and stupid ideology onto us. We might not be much interested in Muslims and Islam but they are interested in us.
I'd love you all to go to your 'Muslim lands' and live there.
Over here you are nothing but trouble.

Oh? How are they in your face? Do they knock on your door and try to convert you? Do they accost you in the street and tell you you will go to hell if you dont go to their church? Do they hand you pieces of paper when you are trying to shop? Is their religious crap all over the tv on sunday and is their "god" mentioned all the time in the media? do they attempt to brainwash your kids @ school with their religion?

SOB

Blowing up buildings, busses, nightclubs etc is pretty 'in your face'.

When has that happened in australia?

SOB

SPOT

Moslems have been convicted, and are in goal, in Australia, right now, at this moment for planning to kill Australians, in Australia.

Those moslems had planned, and intended to kill >> Australians << because we are not moslems.

I will say it again, moslems planned, and intended to kill >> Australians << because we are not moslems.

If moslems could, moslems would kill 100's of thousands of Australians, as often as every week.

Australians have no value, to moslems.

We [Australians] are deemed to be the enemies, of moslems.

Moslems hate us, because we are not moslems.

Moslems want us to fear them.

Moslems imagine that if we Australians fear them, then we Australians will be much easier to 'manage' and influence.

Moslems are THUGS, AND WANNA-BE MURDERS.

That is what ISLAM teaches, to every moslem.

That is; That it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe as they believe.

HOW DO MOSLEMS 'CHARACTERISE' NON-MOSLEMS ? E.G. AUSTRALIANS ?

EXAMPLE #1,
Anjem Choudary is a UK moslem community leader in the UK....

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

EXAMPLE #2,

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...

EXAMPLE #3,
Quote:

July 9, 2007
Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK
Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government – a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America.
"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"
"......Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"
......angry Muslim leader Abu Saif, who kept his voice at a fever pitch through declarations such as: "Brothers and sisters, make no mistake. Make no mistake.
The British government, the queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you, enemies to Allah and enemies to the Muslims."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/muslims-declare-sovereignty-over-us-uk.html

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: How Islam Saved The Jews Reply #111 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 6:57pm abu_rashid wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 10:04am: "Islam" is the invading entity, that is entirely built upon seized land I do so agree with you Abu Rashid and commend you for telling the truth at last.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: How Islam Saved The Jews Reply #112 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:05pm Grow up you tool. Islam is a belief system that spread amongst people through daw'ah (invitation). It did not conquer anything, other than by capturing people's hearts. If it were merely a case of military conquest, then Islam & Muslims would've ended up like Genghis Khan and his empire.
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Re: How Islam Saved The Jews
Reply #113 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:08pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

Grow up you tool.

Islam is a belief system that spread amongst people through daw'ah (invitation). It did not conquer anything, other than by capturing people's hearts. If it were merely a case of military conquest, then Islam & Muslims would've ended up like Genghis Khan and his empire.

So why does Islam require you to stone people to death who apostasize?

Why did Muhammed himself kill so many people?

All self defense, right? Including the invasion of Spain from North Africa?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: How Islam Saved The Jews Reply #114 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:09pm All belief systems have their laws. Why does the Western belief system require you to fry someone's brain for stealing or killing or apostasising from the Western state (ie. treason)?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: How Islam Saved The Jews Reply #115 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:10pm Quote: Why does the Western belief system require you to fry someone's brain for stealing
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Reply #116 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:13pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

Why did Muhammed himself kill so many people?

Who exactly did he himself kill?

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

All self defense, right? Including the invasion of Spain from North Africa?

Yes what a great invasion, they came over on the boats of Spaniards themselves. Do yourself a favour and learn the history before speaking about it. Then again, falling flat on your face doesn't appear to register as shameful to you, so carry on as you were.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: How Islam Saved The Jews Reply #117 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:36pm The Muslims will regret the day they started to fight with the Jews. If they want war then they can have it.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: How Islam Saved The Jews Reply #118 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:42pm Quote: Yes what a great invasion, they came over on the boats of Spaniards themselves. To participate in a war.
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Reply #119 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 8:03pm

Yeh unlike those good little Spaniards who didn't participate in any wars. And the Muslims weren't being dragged along to help one faction of Spaniards against another, were they? Oh no, of course not. Not in fd's delusional little view of the big bad Muslim invasions.

Sometimes one wonders whether you're sheepishly stupid or cunningly devious in your portrayal of history.

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