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Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up
Jun 6^th, 2012 at 10:55am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-05/am-matt-brown-indonesia-piece/4052354

Revelations that people smugglers posed as asylum seekers to get themselves into Australia have sparked an angry backlash in Jakarta.

Captain Emad, also known as Abu Khalid, posed as an asylum seeker to smuggle himself into Australia in 2010.

He was taken into detention on Christmas Island and was given a protection visa and Australian residency on April 20, 2010, only three months after the boat arrived.

Emad and other smugglers passed ASIO security checks and went on to set up lucrative people smuggling deals in Australia.

He now lives just a few kilometres from the Australian Federal Police's headquarters in Canberra.

Tantowi Yahya, a member of Indonesia's parliamentary committee on foreign affairs, says the revelations undermine Australia's claim to be fighting the smuggling trade.

"Our commitment is to find the mastermind who is behind all this," he said.

"And we agree with the request from Australian government to be cooperative with them, but then we get the news that the Australian government is giving refugee status to the smugglers."

It is an embarrassing controversy for Australia, especially given the still patchy Indonesian effort to curtail the people smuggling trade.

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angeleyes Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 615	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #1 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:11am Yep. It's an open door policy from the ALP clowns.
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #2 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:33am ALP? No, wrong side angelcheeks. This one is the ringleader:
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lisa.greek Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1595 Cairns QLD	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #3 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:46am Wow! Indonesia is furious at us! Whar are they going to do about it? Stop taking the millions in aid money they get courtesy of our taxpayers? Well smack ma fannie!
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #4 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:50am Wow..I wonder what the Indonesians think of Abbotts policy of towing refugee boats back to Indonesia
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angeleyes Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 615	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #5 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:53am adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:50am: Wow..I wonder what the Indonesians think of Abbotts policy of towing refugee boats back to Indonesia Does your mail order bride know about your Abbott fetish Adel?
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #6 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:58am Where does it suggest they are furious. Personally, I dont give two runs if they are furious, we give them enough money they can show a bit of respect.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #7 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:11pm Verge wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:58am: Where does it suggest they are furious. Personally, I dont give two runs if they are furious, we give them enough money they can show a bit of respect. I doubt that anyone in Indonesia gives a stuff about what we do with reffos once they are here.
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Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up
Reply #8 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:29pm

angeleyes wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:53am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Wow..I wonder what the Indonesians think of Abbotts policy of towing refugee boats back to Indonesia Grin

Does your mail order bride know about your Abbott fetish Adel?

Angeleyes, there is absolutely nothing wrong with mail order brides. Some of the finest young talents in the Liberal Party have them.

One of our members here got one sent up to the Northern Territory from Ryde. She's quite a dish, I hear.

Much better than that godawful Juliar.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up Reply #9 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:37pm I'm interested in how its Gillard's stuff up? Wouldn't the blame lay with the AFP or Foreign Affairs & Immigration? Surely if the public service was to blame for AWB they must also shoulder the blame for this.
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Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up
Reply #10 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:47pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I'm interested in how its Gillard's stuff up?
Wouldn't the blame lay with the AFP or Foreign Affairs & Immigration?

Surely if the public service was to blame for AWB they must also shoulder the blame for this.

be careful here... much of the blame Howard gets from the lefties is from things peopl in various deparments did - not him personally. Tehre is athing called 'minsterial responsibility. But I'd also agree that it only goes so far. You can hardly blame a minister for the illegal acts of some flunkie of which he had no knowledge nor any reason to do so.

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Reply #11 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I'm interested in how its Gillard's stuff up?
Wouldn't the blame lay with the AFP or Foreign Affairs & Immigration?

Surely if the public service was to blame for AWB they must also shoulder the blame for this.

be careful here... much of the blame Howard gets from the lefties is from things peopl in various deparments did - not him personally. Tehre is athing called 'minsterial responsibility. But I'd also agree that it only goes so far. You can hardly blame a minister for the illegal acts of some flunkie of which he had no knowledge nor any reason to do so.

Well technically in the Westminster system the Minster responsible for the portfolio is responsible for ANY stuff up that occurs within that department.
It made sure they were on top things & remained so.
Pity it went out the window somewhere around 97 Roll Eyes

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Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up
Reply #12 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:53pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I'm interested in how its Gillard's stuff up?

Wouldn't the blame lay with the AFP or Foreign Affairs & Immigration?

Surely if the public service was to blame for AWB they must also shoulder the blame for this.

I think the point is that everything bad that happens is Julias fault and everything good is just a disaster waiting to happen..just ask Tony Grin

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Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up
Reply #13 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I'm interested in how its Gillard's stuff up?

Wouldn't the blame lay with the AFP or Foreign Affairs & Immigration?

Surely if the public service was to blame for AWB they must also shoulder the blame for this.

I think the point is that everything bad that happens is Julias fault and everything good is just a disaster waiting to happen..just ask Tony Grin

The left loves to blame Abbott for everything - but when the shoe is on the other foot you cry foul

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Re: Indonesia furious over Gillard's stuff up
Reply #14 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I'm interested in how its Gillard's stuff up?

Wouldn't the blame lay with the AFP or Foreign Affairs & Immigration?

Surely if the public service was to blame for AWB they must also shoulder the blame for this.

I think the point is that everything bad that happens is Julias fault and everything good is just a disaster waiting to happen..just ask Tony Grin

The left loves to blame Abbott for everything - but when the shoe is on the other foot you cry foul

Maqqa you already do that.
You complain about something then when the Libs do it you use the excuse that Labor did it.
Frankly it's boring.

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