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angeleyes Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 615	Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell? Reply #30 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:34pm And from Swan.. "Certainly what we reject is this hysterical allegation that somehow that we are moving towards a carbon tax from the Liberals and their advertising, we certainly reject that".
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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell? Reply #31 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:37pm I rule out a carbon tax
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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #32 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:44pm

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost.

anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean..

gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century..

she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes..

when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that

You must have been asleep the rest of the century !!!!!

you rate that worse than children overboard? she had to change her stance because of the way the election ended .. if she had won on her own right we would be unlikely to get a carbon tax

John Howard on the other hand came up with a con job to try and turn the polls around .. he deliberately fabricated the whole story ... he made it up, he lied about it and he continued to lie ...

can you produce the evidence where he fabricated that statement.. thank you???

you dont think anyone was conned with the

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD

so I was right ... you were asleep the rest of the century .

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #33 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:44pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars.

Abbott

This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

I still say Abbott

and I say Joh BP

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #34 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:48pm

Never ever a GST under any government I lead - John Howard.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/17/1092508474312.html

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But when a businessman asked why, if a GST was so economically sound, Howard wouldn't again support it, he gave a long answer which included, in part: "... We would occasionally like to win, you know. The fact is the last election was a referendum on the GST.

There is no way we can have it as part of our policy for the next election. As to what happens some years in the future, I don't know. But the GST cause was lost in the last election ..."

Every news outlet ignored it except The Australian. It ran a single-column story on its front page next morning, saying Howard had "left open the possibility of the Coalition reconsidering a GST some years in the future".

Howard panicked. He'd told the truth in answering the businessman's question. Now he felt he had to lie if he wasn't to sabotage, after 22 years in politics, his last opportunity to be prime minister.

He issued a four-sentence statement saying, "Suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at any time in the future. It is completely off the political agenda in Australia.

" Later that day, confronted by a clamouring press pack, he compounded the lie. Asked if he'd "left the door open for a GST", Howard said: "No. There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy."

Q: "Never ever?" Howard: "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election."

......... He announced a "great adventure" in tax reform he wanted to "share with the Australian people".

Six months later, we learned the heart and soul of this "adventure" was to be the introduction of a GST.

And how did Howard rationalise his "never ever" pledge? He didn't. He simply lied again. Howard told Parliament in April 1998: "I went to the 1996 election saying there would not be a GST in our first term.

John Howards GST - Lie after Lie after Lie.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell? Reply #35 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:51pm john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. John Howard SOB
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell? Reply #36 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 6:04pm matty wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:37pm: I rule out a carbon tax Yes we know tugger, but you need to wait until you are elected and then made leader before you can implement that policy.
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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #37 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 6:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

I think neither.

While O'farrell's performance has been dismal to this point I do not think he has been any less honest than you would expect from a Liberal.

yes he hasnt been brilliant.. but what has a liberal got to do with it..

I bet if anyone keeps stats.. the Labs would win hands down when it comes to broken promises and lies..

I dont recall Howard getting a tongue lashing after the GST election????

It was his own mates who called him a lying rodent and he was very often cynically refered to as honest John.

He is best known for coining the term non core promise, which means election promises which you do not have to keep.

You missed the two big ones, children overboard and weapons of mass destruction. One lead to the continuing persecution of a vulnerable demographic the other lead us into a pointless and expensive war.

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #38 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars.

Abbott

This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

I still say Abbott

and I say Joh BP

How dare you compare that wonderful, Christian gentleman with the thing that we currently have as PM. I bet that you were under 20 when he was Premier of Queensland.

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #39 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:23pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

Never ever a GST under any government I lead - John Howard.

Did Howard take it to the 1998 election, after changing his mind?

Did Gillard take the carbon tax to a new election, after changing her mind?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/17/1092508474312.html

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But when a businessman asked why, if a GST was so economically sound, Howard wouldn't again support it, he gave a long answer which included, in part: "... We would occasionally like to win, you know. The fact is the last election was a referendum on the GST.

There is no way we can have it as part of our policy for the next election. As to what happens some years in the future, I don't know. But the GST cause was lost in the last election ..."

Every news outlet ignored it except The Australian. It ran a single-column story on its front page next morning, saying Howard had "left open the possibility of the Coalition reconsidering a GST some years in the future".

Howard panicked. He'd told the truth in answering the businessman's question. Now he felt he had to lie if he wasn't to sabotage, after 22 years in politics, his last opportunity to be prime minister.

He issued a four-sentence statement saying, "Suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at any time in the future. It is completely off the political agenda in Australia.

" Later that day, confronted by a clamouring press pack, he compounded the lie. Asked if he'd "left the door open for a GST", Howard said: "No. There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy."

Q: "Never ever?" Howard: "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election."

......... He announced a "great adventure" in tax reform he wanted to "share with the Australian people".

Six months later, we learned the heart and soul of this "adventure" was to be the introduction of a GST.

And how did Howard rationalise his "never ever" pledge? He didn't. He simply lied again. Howard told Parliament in April 1998: "I went to the 1996 election saying there would not be a GST in our first term.

John Howards GST - Lie after Lie after Lie.

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #40 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:10pm

jenny wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars.

Abbott

This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

I still say Abbott

and I say Joh BP

How dare you compare that wonderful, Christian gentleman with the thing that we currently have as PM. I bet that you were under 20 when he was Premier of Queensland.

you could fill an entire thread with the evils of the JOH days. And as an active Christian myself, I am ashamed of his behaviour.

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #41 - Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

jenny wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars.

Abbott

This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

I still say Abbott

and I say Joh BP

How dare you compare that wonderful, Christian gentleman with the thing that we currently have as PM. I bet that you were under 20 when he was Premier of Queensland.

you could fill an entire thread with the evils of the JOH days. And as an active Christian myself, I am ashamed of his behaviour.

Sure, and are you also a Gillard supporter? No active Christian, and I am one, could support her.

I am 89. I have voted Country/National in every single election in which I have ever voted, except for One Nation in the Senate a few times. Joh was an absolute gentleman, who I had the pleasure of meeting on more than one occasion. He is one of the best leaders that we've ever had, and it's a shame that he never did become Prime Minister.

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #42 - Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:51am

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Sure, and are you also a Gillard supporter? No active Christian, and I am one, could support her.

Look a lot of ppl dont like gillards policies and thats fine but not voting for someone because of their religion is ridiculous and bigoted. This is not a theocracy. It doesnt matter what religion (or none) a pollie has. Unless they are fanatical in which case they should never get near the PM job.

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Re: Who's the bigger liar - Gillard or O'Farrell?
Reply #43 - Jun 8^th, 2012 at 9:09am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-08/102c000-nsw-public-servants-face-axe3a-rep...

Poor people of NSW. Just like Victoria the Liberal Governments are running your state into the ground. SO, just what HAS big bazza done for you since theelection? And if you are a public servant - and you voted liberal - suck it up and start saving!

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Question: Bigger liar.
Gillard. 1 (7.7%) O'Farrell. 10 (76.9%) Both as bad as each other. 2 (15.4%) Total votes: 13 « Created by: john_g on: Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm »