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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #30 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 3:42pm freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 12:51pm: It is not a trick question Falah. It is about what you support in principle, not where the edges get messy or the difference between absolute freedom and achievable freedom. Would you be able to answer your own question?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #31 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:08pm Sure. You go first, then I'll answer it, and then we'll see who is being honest about their views.
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #32 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:24pm freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:08pm: You go first Why? Don't want to put your money where your mouth is?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #33 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 7:04pm It is an attempt to get a straight answer from you. I think you would still make up excuses for not giving a straight answer, even if I answered first. But please, prove me wrong.
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #34 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 11:42pm You seem to be having trouble answering my question Freeliar. Do you support absolute freedom of speech. Do you support absolute democracy? Is there any country which gives people absolute freedom of speech and/or absolute democracy.
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Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti
Reply #35 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 9:08am

Here you go Falah. This is the most recent time where you asked me the same questions. I have been over this with you and Abu many times - pretty much every time I attempt to get a straight answer from either of you on the subject.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226714182/98#98

Notice the pattern - I ask you a question, you refuse to give a straight answer. You and Abu ask me a question. I give a straight answer. I ask you the same question again and again you refuse to give a straight answer. In fact I don't think you have given a straight answer on democracy the entire time you have been on this forum, except for your initial claim that Islam 'does not prohibit voting'. You cannot even say whether you support democracy of freedom of speech.

But please, prove me wrong.

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #36 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 12:51pm Freeliar, the thread is not about what my personal views on democracy are. The thread is about oppression in Singapore, and the lack of right to protest in the police state.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101399 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #37 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:01pm I hope they don't cane her like this? Caution - this video is barbaric & very disturbing:
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #38 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:12pm falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 12:51pm: Freeliar, the thread is not about what my personal views on democracy are. The thread is about oppression in Singapore, and the lack of right to protest in the police state. OK Falah, give us your opinion on freedom of speech then (if you are allowed).
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti Reply #39 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:48pm freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:12pm: OK Falah, give us your opinion on freedom of speech then (if you are allowed). People should be allowed to protest against injustice and oppression.
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Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti
Reply #40 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 2:28pm

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

OK Falah, give us your opinion on freedom of speech then (if you are allowed).

People should be allowed to protest against injustice and oppression.

Should they be allowed to change their religion?

Should the be allowed to criticise religion?

Should they be allowed to protest against and criticise an oppressive religious government?

Or does the right to protest end once your form of government is imposed on everyone?

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Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti
Reply #41 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 2:30pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

OK Falah, give us your opinion on freedom of speech then (if you are allowed).

People should be allowed to protest against injustice and oppression.

Should they be allowed to change their religion?

Should the be allowed to criticise religion?

Should they be allowed to protest against and criticise an oppressive religious government?

Or does the right to protest end once your form of government is imposed on everyone?

People should have the right to open discussion which people like you completely destroy the chance of by ignoring reality and fact.

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Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti
Reply #42 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 3:54pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:

Should they be allowed to change their religion?

Yes.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:

Should the be allowed to criticise religion?

Respectful and honest debate should be allowed.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:

Should they be allowed to protest against and criticise an oppressive religious government?

Yes

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:

...does the right to protest end once your form of government is imposed on everyone?

Freeliar, I am not seeking to impose a government on anyone, I am only trying to present people with the truth. You, on the other hand, seem to take every opportunity to lie and distort.

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Re: Woman faces caning in Singapore for graffiti
Reply #43 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 6:31pm

For anyone who is interested, here is Falah finally admitting what his views on democracy are (sort of...).

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226714182/145#145

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

freediver wrote Today at 3:28pm:
Should they be allowed to change their religion?

Yes.

What is the Islamic punishment for apostasy?

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

freediver wrote Today at 3:28pm:
Should the be allowed to criticise religion?

Respectful and honest debate should be allowed.

So anyone who draws a muhammed cartoon should get their head chopped off? Who decides what is sufficiently respectful of the Muslim oppressors? Would it be the Muslim opressors by any chance? How would this be any different to Singapore for example, other than being a whole lot worse?

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

freediver wrote Today at 3:28pm:
Should they be allowed to protest against and criticise an oppressive religious government?

Yes

This wouldn't be punished as treason?

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

freediver wrote Today at 3:28pm:
...does the right to protest end once your form of government is imposed on everyone?

Freeliar, I am not seeking to impose a government on anyone, I am only trying to present people with the truth. You, on the other hand, seem to take every opportunity to lie and distort.

Isn't that what Islam is all about?

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