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Reply #105 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 9:15pm

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Rudd tried to milk his mandate on climate change for all it was worth. Look where it got him.

Maqqa is right though, but they would need a very clear mandate. I dont see that happening at the next election. The coalition have focussed so hard on the 'lie' that Gillard told rather than the merits of the policy. Hopefully they will have a clearer policy well before the election, and the election focusses on that.

Rudd took liberties with his so called mandate because he claimed a mandate on just about everything. And when he took too many liberties - the voters through the polls and eventually his party took him down

he had a mandate on Workchoices, the Apology and Ratification of Kyoto. But the rest was window dressing.

Even with the Ratification 53% of Australians didn't even know the consequences (btw 53% is what he won the election by)

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #106 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:14pm

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

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Not even close. I asked you for YOUR position - not quoting someone elses amoral position.

It is my position Longy. Whose do you think it is?

I really don't get why people go on about what a political party is honour bound to do. This isn't the knights of the round table. It is politics. They will be judged at election time.

youare on record as bemoaning the behaviour of politicians bu t here you are essentially granting them carte blanche to behave as they want between elections. And best of all, you seem to exalt in the potential for a party that is SMASHED at an election to refuse to obey the clear will of the people by virtue of an electoral anomolay. is this really your position? It sounds a little bit like 'do whatever you want and can get away with'.

As one of the gradually reducing group of intelligent people on here it is a pretty lame attitude.

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #107 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:16pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 7:55pm:

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Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:11am:

Nothing to discuss - the carbon tax will be repealed by the LIBs

63% of Australians rejects the Carbon Tax
57% of Australians want the LIBs to repeal it

So suck it up princess!!!

When will he repeal it.

How will he repeal it, since the majority of the senate will oppose it.

How much will Abbott pay in compensation to industry, and how will this compensation be funded?

And if he removes the carbon compensation, what of the carbon pricing in the economy ... how much will Abbott's action push up the cost of living pressures?

How much more expensive will electricity and food be because of Abbott's action of profiteering for the carbon lobby, for Lib's owner, Clive Palmer?

Don't wait for an answer green ... they don't have one because the reality is they don't really want to repeal it .... if they did they would have those answers all sorted by now ... they've had plenty of time

which one are you: DUMB or DUMBER or perhaps even DUMBERER. it has been explained hundreds of times the various options for a CT repeal.

Ok dumbest ... I'll explain it to you again ... it will never work .. what you explained is a hypothetical that will NEVER happen... ABBOTT will NEVER go to a DD , no matter how many times you repeat it

No matter how many times you repeat that limp argument of yours that Abbott can't/won't go to a DD, it's obvious it's what you HOPE for, [highlight]not what you KNOW can/will happen[/highlight].

Rubbish the requirments of the process are well documented.

Following a huge victory in 2013 which he expects a DD in 2015 can only cost him seats - its blatently obvious.

He will not take an option from which he can only lose.

I've got news for you sunshine ... you don't know what will happen either .... I bet you didn't think you would end up with a hung parliament .... we're talking about predicting future events ... no one KNOWS what will happen now do they? such an bright fellow

hmm... did you know (well of course you didnt) that a number of commentators at the time were looking at the polls and predicting either a 1 seat majority or a MINORITY govt. So yes,. plenty were predicting that as a strong possibility. If you read political history you might learn that a lot of seemingly odd events are quite predictable. Youc an never be 100% right but you can certianly be a lot closer than you seem to think.

of course there were .. It;s easy to find them after the fact .. i bet even Allan Jones knew (now)... I also bet if you looked hard enough you would find predictions for every possible outcome to next years election ... doesn't mean that you KNEW what was going to happen .. Like I said in another thread .. comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

the polls were showing 50/50 dimwit. of COURSE people were looking at the possibility of a hung parliament. and they were.

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #108 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:18pm

Gist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 8:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

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Not even close. I asked you for YOUR position - not quoting someone elses amoral position.

It is my position Longy. Whose do you think it is?

I really don't get why people go on about what a political party is honour bound to do. This isn't the knights of the round table. It is politics. They will be judged at election time.

Exactly. This notion that one side or the other needs to honour some mythical "mandate" is complete BS put by lazy idiots. The members need to honour the position they put at the election. That's why they got elected. If that means voting differently to some majority of other members then so be it. THAT is what they are there to do.

you mean like NOT putting up a Carbon Tax??? did you even THINK as you wrote that? If the ALP thought that way then the carbon tax wouldnt have even gotten off the ground.

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #109 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:21pm

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Rudd tried to milk his mandate on climate change for all it was worth. Look where it got him.

Maqqa is right though, but they would need a very clear mandate. I dont see that happening at the next election. The coalition have focussed so hard on the 'lie' that Gillard told rather than the merits of the policy. Hopefully they will have a clearer policy well before the election, and the election focusses on that.

clear mandate? with an election pretty much fought over the carbon tax and acheiving a near record majority, precisely what else do you want? A plebisctite at the same time?

You seem to be trying to redefine the concept of mandate so as to not be beholden to one.

The post election CT repeal bill will be a test of honour and morality for the ALP. The choice they make might define the tone and morality of poltiics for decades to come. While so many ALP MPs have faux anger at how parliament has become so bitter, they hold in their hands the opporunity to right a wrong or be destroyed by it.

It only needs a couple of labor senators to decide to be honourable.

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #110 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:28pm

It's a long bow being drawn saying a federal election in over a year will be a referendum on the carbon levy.

The only one pushing a carbon levy repeal is Mr Abbott and current polling shows he is unlikely to be leading Liberals considering how much he is holding the party back.

The more likely Liberal leader at the next election is Turnbull, and he supports carbon pricing.

The next election will be on issues of the day.

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #111 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 10:16pm: