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Reply #180 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:03pm

And what of the court cases ...

The expert explained that the legislation defined the carbon units created under the law as a unit of personal property, which would make it harder for future national leaders to repeal the carbon tax law without compensation

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/232918/20111018/expert-warns-carbon-tax-repeal-wo...

It's not just parliament ... it's the law courts abbott will have to cope with.

He hasn't got a chance of reversing and he knows it.

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Reply #181 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:09pm

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

He hasn't got a chance of reversing and he knows it.

Nonsense! Abbott has every intention AND a clear path for reversing every inch of his words and commitments on this.

Abbott has completely mapped out his plan to renege on the commitments to repeal any part of the carbon tax. The Lieberal plan to repeal the carbon tax is all lies.

Not that this is a surprise - it's what Lieberals do.

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Reply #182 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:33pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 7:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

The FWA Bill went through with over 200+ amendments

The abolition of the Carbon Tax will have no amendments - it will be abolished

You seem to know a lot of things which I would think are very doubtful and not consistant with what the Liberals are saying.

If they abolish the carbon price legislation they would also be abolishing the compensation package which is part of the legislation, the Liberals are saying they will not do that. Maybe it is not quite as easy as you think - Back to the old drawing board fella.

I still dont know why you think it is so hard to remove legislation. was removing workchoices that hard? it is after all JUST legislation. The way you atlk youd think no legislation has ever been successflly repealed before.

Longy it is the consequences of removing it that make it difficult. Abbott seems to be in a good position now while it is all talk. Wait till we are closer to the election and he has to come up with an actual plan.

Workchoices was implemented in 2005 and repealed in 2009

Carbon Tax will be implemented in July 2012 - if it takes 4 years then so be it!

It only runs for 3 to 5 years?

Are you suggesting that it be repealed a few weeks after it ends naturally?

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Reply #183 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 9:31pm

After the repealing legislation goes through, ideally after a DD, the Government will be able to seek a peoples mandate through referendum on specific questions such as the carbon tax, traditional marriage definition, euthanasia, border security, Asian integration and after that, the ALP & Greens will never be able to revisit them again.

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Reply #185 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 6:00pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 7:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

The FWA Bill went through with over 200+ amendments

The abolition of the Carbon Tax will have no amendments - it will be abolished

You seem to know a lot of things which I would think are very doubtful and not consistant with what the Liberals are saying.

If they abolish the carbon price legislation they would also be abolishing the compensation package which is part of the legislation, the Liberals are saying they will not do that. Maybe it is not quite as easy as you think - Back to the old drawing board fella.

I still dont know why you think it is so hard to remove legislation. was removing workchoices that hard? it is after all JUST legislation. The way you atlk youd think no legislation has ever been successflly repealed before.

Longy it is the consequences of removing it that make it difficult. Abbott seems to be in a good position now while it is all talk. Wait till we are closer to the election and he has to come up with an actual plan.

Workchoices was implemented in 2005 and repealed in 2009

Carbon Tax will be implemented in July 2012 - if it takes 4 years then so be it!

It only runs for 3 to 5 years?

Are you suggesting that it be repealed a few weeks after it ends naturally?

your stupidity on the issue of the carbon tax is apparently never-ending.

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Reply #186 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 6:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 7:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

The FWA Bill went through with over 200+ amendments

The abolition of the Carbon Tax will have no amendments - it will be abolished

You seem to know a lot of things which I would think are very doubtful and not consistant with what the Liberals are saying.

If they abolish the carbon price legislation they would also be abolishing the compensation package which is part of the legislation, the Liberals are saying they will not do that. Maybe it is not quite as easy as you think - Back to the old drawing board fella.

I still dont know why you think it is so hard to remove legislation. was removing workchoices that hard? it is after all JUST legislation. The way you atlk youd think no legislation has ever been successflly repealed before.

Longy it is the consequences of removing it that make it difficult. Abbott seems to be in a good position now while it is all talk. Wait till we are closer to the election and he has to come up with an actual plan.

Workchoices was implemented in 2005 and repealed in 2009

Carbon Tax will be implemented in July 2012 - if it takes 4 years then so be it!

It only runs for 3 to 5 years?

Are you suggesting that it be repealed a few weeks after it ends naturally?

your stupidity on the issue of the carbon tax is apparently never-ending.

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"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.

Why not ask motorists to pay more?

Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?

And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.

It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden.” "

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Reply #188 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:32pm

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

This is a very violent undemocratic thread the Government asserting the Australian people are not free to determine their own destiny and a future government cannot undo any reform this government has implemented. Well Nazis - we can and we will.

It is not undemocratic.

The government was elected via democratic means.

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Reply #189 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:38pm

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

This is a very violent undemocratic thread the Government asserting the Australian people are not free to determine their own destiny and a future government cannot undo any reform this government has implemented. Well Nazis - we can and we will.

It is not undemocratic.

The government was elected via democratic means.

It is undemocratic to decree that the carbon tax will never be repealed. We will fight tooth and nail to make sure it is because it is unconstitutional. Cool

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Reply #190 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:44pm

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

This is a very violent undemocratic thread the Government asserting the Australian people are not free to determine their own destiny and a future government cannot undo any reform this government has implemented. Well Nazis - we can and we will.

It is not undemocratic.

The government was elected via democratic means.

It is undemocratic to decree that the carbon tax will never be repealed. We will fight tooth and nail to make sure it is because it is unconstitutional. Cool

It will not be repealed because the time it would take to repeal, it will no longer exist.

It is impossible to repeal this and Abbott is conning people in believing he can.

Dumb Australians are inviting Abbott to take them as fools.

Why are you letting Abbott take you for a fool?

Prevailing, when does the ETS begin?

And has Abbott said he will repeal the ETS?

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Reply #191 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:51pm

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

This is a very violent undemocratic thread the Government asserting the Australian people are not free to determine their own destiny and a future government cannot undo any reform this government has implemented. Well Nazis - we can and we will.

It is not undemocratic.

The government was elected via democratic means.

It is undemocratic to decree that the carbon tax will never be repealed. We will fight tooth and nail to make sure it is because it is unconstitutional. Cool

It will not be repealed because the time it would take to repeal, it will no longer exist.

It is impossible to repeal this and Abbott is conning people in believing he can.

Dumb Australians are inviting Abbott to take them as fools.

Why are you letting Abbott take you for a fool?

Prevailing, when does the ETS begin?

And has Abbott said he will repeal the ETS?

Forget it mate, we will fight you till it is history. Cool

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Reply #192 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:56pm

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

This is a very violent undemocratic thread the Government asserting the Australian people are not free to determine their own destiny and a future government cannot undo any reform this government has implemented. Well Nazis - we can and we will.

It is not undemocratic.

The government was elected via democratic means.

Well yes it is if you are saying they cannot legislate on a tax that Gillard is on record as saying they won't introduce and where it cannot be repealed.
As for property rights you might like to look at a little referendum in 1988 in the following terms "A Proposed Law: To alter the Constitution to extend the right to trial by jury, to extend freedom of religion, and to ensure fair terms for persons whose property is acquired by any government."
It was rejected.

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Reply #193 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 8:01pm

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

This is a very violent undemocratic thread the Government asserting the Australian people are not free to determine their own destiny and a future government cannot undo any reform this government has implemented. Well Nazis - we can and we will.

It is not undemocratic.

The government was elected via democratic means.

It is undemocratic to decree that the carbon tax will never be repealed. We will fight tooth and nail to make sure it is because it is unconstitutional. Cool

It will not be repealed because the time it would take to repeal, it will no longer exist.

It is impossible to repeal this and Abbott is conning people in believing he can.

Dumb Australians are inviting Abbott to take them as fools.

Why are you letting Abbott take you for a fool?

Prevailing, when does the ETS begin?

And has Abbott said he will repeal the ETS?

Forget it mate, we will fight you till it is history. Cool

The ETS?
The one that Abbott refuses to repeal?

The ETS, that is replacing the carbon levy july the first, 2015.

In three years time.

It is impossible for Abbott to a. win government. b. create conditions for a DD. c. win a DD and d. repeal the carbon tax.

Abbott is taking you for a fool and you are too stupid to realise it.

Dumbarse.

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Reply #194 - Jun 19^th, 2012 at 8:04pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

____ wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

This is a very violent undemocratic thread the Government asserting the Australian people are not free to determine their own destiny and a future government cannot undo any reform this government has implemented. Well Nazis - we can and we will.

It is not undemocratic.

The government was elected via democratic means.

Well yes it is if you are saying they cannot legislate on a tax that Gillard is on record as saying they won't introduce and where it cannot be repealed.
As for property rights you might like to look at a little referendum in 1988 in the following terms "A Proposed Law: To alter the Constitution to extend the right to trial by jury, to extend freedom of religion, and to ensure fair terms for persons whose property is acquired by any government."
It was rejected.

Everything gets rejected in referendums because Australians don't trust the scum who sit in the parliament - ever wonder why? thats why they simply ignore the constitution now and legislate by executive decree on things the people never sanctioned or voted for. Anyone sitting here spruiking for the Government is paid for post.

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