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Reply #30 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:58am
 
____ wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:13am:
cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:00am:
The Opposition’s unrelenting attack on the Government over carbon pricing has been simple and devastatingly effective. But Tony Abbott probably should have told his colleagues to hold off purchasing shares in an industry he has predicted will be shattered.



I do go along with that.. but we all know it isnt the industry that will be shattered..

mining will survive any idiot knows that... its the rest of our manufacturing . steel industry refining.car manufacturing..everything else will be affected by this CARBON TAX of $23

n ot only are we basically alone..with CARBON TAX.....
I see Spain has now bit the bullet!!!!! but we have this
enormous price..

and as we are watching more and more business leave the country  or go under..

their first report on what was it $8bn..TAX recovered that they were sharing with the whole country..[ I believe that too has been revised]
will also need revising..

denial denial denial.. live in it all you like..but this TAX will/is changing this country for ever...


I am not in the least convinced for the better.




So the Euro protecting Spain before Greece votes is your best you can do to promote Abbott's Regressive and Costly Agenda.

You are a lightweight cods.





no I was just pointing out that the DOMINO EFFECT was working..and I am sorry you cant see what happen over there affecting this ONCE great country..

turn a blind eye if you will and pretend we all live in Utopia..at your peril I would say.

if thats lightweight so be it.
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Reply #31 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:22am
 
The repeal of the carbon tax is inevitable and it is unstoppable as Australia and the world take back their freedom and independence from the globalist killers.
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Reply #32 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:33pm
 
We will fight the Labor party & Greens to the death if necessary on every reform initiative to transfer ownership of our country to global unelected bodies.  And not just fight their initiatives but reverse the process and take back our nation from the thieves and killers.
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Reply #33 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:42pm
 
As long as the Liberals do not get full control of the upper house the prospect of removing the fixed price carbon price as a stand alone option is next to zero.
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Reply #34 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:46pm
 
Gist wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:15am:
Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.


So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax -
how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.


Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!
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Reply #35 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:50pm
 
The removal of the carbon tax is as inevitable as the demise of the Greens and the ALP in Australian politiucal life.  Their destruction and the removal of all their illegal policy initiatives is set in concrete.
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Reply #36 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:53pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
Gist wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:15am:
Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.


So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax -
how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.


Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!


Ho Ho Ho Ho - nobody is stupid enough to believe that would happen.
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Reply #37 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:58pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:53pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
Gist wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:15am:
Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.


So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax -
how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.


Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!


Ho Ho Ho Ho - nobody is stupid enough to believe that would happen.


I didn't say it would happen exactly like that. If the CPI goes up the usual amount, it may be that the cost of living goes from $100 to $150 and then back down to $110 after the carbon tax is abolished.
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Reply #38 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:58pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:53pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 12:46pm:
Gist wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 9:50am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 7:15am:
Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.


So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax -
how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.


Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!


Ho Ho Ho Ho - nobody is stupid enough to believe that would happen.


I didn't say it would happen exactly like that. If the CPI goes up the usual amount, it may be that the cost of living goes from $100 to $150 and then back down to $110 after the carbon tax is abolished.



You leave natural human greed out of your little equation. Nobody is going to reduce their prices by much if anything certainly at the secondary level.
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Reply #39 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 1:17pm
 
The nation and the world is waking up to the true agenda behind climate gate and the carbon taxes and the conspirators will be defeated and they will never achieve their goals.
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Reply #40 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
bump ... in case you missed this one maqqa !
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Reply #41 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 4:05pm
 
The People of Australia will hold Tont Abbott to his word to take this tax to a double disillusion if necessary Greens and the ALP, crack down on globalization and repeal the Carbon Tax.
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Reply #42 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:07pm
 
____ wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:29am:
Carbon tax repeal not so easy

Minister for Mental Health and Ageing, Mark Butler, has pointed out, promises to repeal complicated laws are difficult to pull off.

''Well, we tried rollback on the GST; it didn't work. This is the mother of all rollback campaigns,'' Butler told Q&A on ABC television this week.

Deutsche Bank has looked into the Coalition's promise to repeal the carbon tax and said it might not happen until April 2014 - nearly two years after the legislation takes effect in July this year.

''Each step in the constitutional process takes time, and in practice, it could take eight to 14 months for the repeal bills to pass, with risks of further delay at each stage of that process,'' research analyst Tim Jordan wrote in a report released yesterday.

''On that timetable, the earliest a repeal bill could pass after an August 2013 election would be April 2014, 22 months after the carbon price comes into force.''

Assuming the Coalition wins the next election but is not granted control of the upper house, Labor and the Greens are unlikely to repeal the price on carbon, leaving Abbott with the option of calling a ''double dissolution'' - or fresh election on all seats of Parliament. If the double-dissolution election failed to give the Coalition control of both houses of Parliament, it could call a ''joint sitting'' to pass the contested legislation, provided it had a majority of seats in the two houses combined.

But whether this is the ideal outcome is another issue. Mr Jordan said abandoning a market mechanism for reducing emissions would ''only provide a temporary reprieve for major emitters''.

''The carbon price is likely to have a modest impact on most listed emitters: most high-carbon firms in trade-exposed sectors will receive free units (and in the case of steel makers, cash grants) to offset the impact; resources companies face a small impact relative to earnings; airlines will pass on the cost in ticket prices; and utilities are likely to recover most of their additional costs through higher electricity prices,'' he wrote.

Labor and the Coalition have a bipartisan commitment to cut emissions by 5 per cent below 2000 levels by 2020.

Mr Jordan told BusinessDay that this commitment would still stand if the carbon tax was repealed and would probably be met through state-based or ad hoc programs.

http://www.businessday.com.au/business/carbon-tax-repeal-not-so-easy-20120508-1y...


they tried rollback on the GST??? when? they were in opposition for nearly 8 years after its introduction and it is obvious to most that OPPOSITIONS dont rollback policies like the GST.  And after all, the real problem was that after a couple years even the ALP realised the GST was GOOD policy that they could ill-afford to repeal.
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Reply #43 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:11pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:21am:
____ wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:17am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:11am:
Nothing to discuss - the carbon tax will be repealed by the LIBs

63% of Australians rejects the Carbon Tax
57% of Australians want the LIBs to repeal it

So suck it up princess!!!



When will he repeal it.

How will he repeal it, since the majority of the senate will oppose it.

How much will Abbott pay in compensation to industry, and how will this compensation be funded?

And if he removes the carbon compensation, what of the carbon pricing in the economy ... how much will Abbott's action push up the cost of living pressures?

How much more expensive will electricity and food be because of Abbott's action of profiteering for the carbon lobby, for Lib's owner, Clive Palmer?


Don't wait for an answer green ... they don't have one because the reality is they don't really want to repeal it .... if they did they would have those answers all sorted by now ... they've had plenty of time


which one are you: DUMB or DUMBER or perhaps even DUMBERER. it has been explained hundreds of times the various options for a CT repeal.
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Reply #44 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:12pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:07pm:
____ wrote on Jun 10th, 2012 at 6:29am:
Carbon tax repeal not so easy

Minister for Mental Health and Ageing, Mark Butler, has pointed out, promises to repeal complicated laws are difficult to pull off.

''Well, we tried rollback on the GST; it didn't work. This is the mother of all rollback campaigns,'' Butler told Q&A on ABC television this week.

Deutsche Bank has looked into the Coalition's promise to repeal the carbon tax and said it might not happen until April 2014 - nearly two years after the legislation takes effect in July this year.

''Each step in the constitutional process takes time, and in practice, it could take eight to 14 months for the repeal bills to pass, with risks of further delay at each stage of that process,'' research analyst Tim Jordan wrote in a report released yesterday.

''On that timetable, the earliest a repeal bill could pass after an August 2013 election would be April 2014, 22 months after the carbon price comes into force.''

Assuming the Coalition wins the next election but is not granted control of the upper house, Labor and the Greens are unlikely to repeal the price on carbon, leaving Abbott with the option of calling a ''double dissolution'' - or fresh election on all seats of Parliament. If the double-dissolution election failed to give the Coalition control of both houses of Parliament, it could call a ''joint sitting'' to pass the contested legislation, provided it had a majority of seats in the two houses combined.

But whether this is the ideal outcome is another issue. Mr Jordan said abandoning a market mechanism for reducing emissions would ''only provide a temporary reprieve for major emitters''.

''The carbon price is likely to have a modest impact on most listed emitters: most high-carbon firms in trade-exposed sectors will receive free units (and in the case of steel makers, cash grants) to offset the impact; resources companies face a small impact relative to earnings; airlines will pass on the cost in ticket prices; and utilities are likely to recover most of their additional costs through higher electricity prices,'' he wrote.

Labor and the Coalition have a bipartisan commitment to cut emissions by 5 per cent below 2000 levels by 2020.

Mr Jordan told BusinessDay that this commitment would still stand if the carbon tax was repealed and would probably be met through state-based or ad hoc programs.

http://www.businessday.com.au/business/carbon-tax-repeal-not-so-easy-20120508-1y...


they tried rollback on the GST??? when? they were in opposition for nearly 8 years after its introduction and it is obvious to most that OPPOSITIONS dont rollback policies like the GST.  And after all, the real problem was that after a couple years even the ALP realised the GST was GOOD policy that they could ill-afford to repeal.


Labour had a gst of its own it was going to implement it was just called something else.

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