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Reply #45 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:13pm

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:15am:

Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.

So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax - how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.

You are as moronic as Greens or you are deliberately trying to mix two unrelated issue

Cost of living generally increases every year i.e. the CPI.

The Carbon Tax is an added increase on top of the normal increases

The lefties are trying to imply the Carbon Tax are the same as normal increases when it's not.

Why would you do that?

Idiot. YOU claim the carbon tax will raise living expenses. OK. So when Abbott repeals the carbon tax HOW WILL HE ENSURE THOSE EXPENSES ARE REDUCED?
It's a simple concept simply put to allow simpletons to understand. So kindly give a simple answer.

not his problem. the rises in the cost of living from the CT are GILLARDS fault. get over it. you dont stop reversing a fundamentally eveil policy just because you think some aspects might be hard. That labor talk. LIBERALS take the tough decisions. LABOR just takes the DUMB ones.

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Reply #46 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:15pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:15am:

Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.

So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax - how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.

Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!

That is hilarious. Like anyone would put their prices down.

Besides libs wouldnt remove it they would just rename it.

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Reply #47 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:18pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:15am:

Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.

So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax - how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.

Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!

Will they? Most businesses I've worked for would simply say they've driven down costs. Therefore they have improved profits.

In simple words (for numpties like you) they will pocket the $50.

How will Abbott ensure that this doesn't happen?

Also, please answer this simple question -

The carbon tax is being returned to the people as either a reduction in income tax OR or a pension increase. This would compensate people for that extra $50 a week. Some people will get MORE than the mythical $50 a week that you plucked out of the air.

When Lieberals scrap the tax, they will also have to scrap the tax cuts and cut pensions. PLUS people will still be paying the extra $50 a week (see previous point).

WHAT DOES ABBOTT PROPOSE TO DO ABOUT HIS PROMISED REDUCTION IN PEOPLE'S INCOME?
Especially in the face of the cost of living increase?

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Reply #49 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:13pm:

not his problem. the rises in the cost of living from the CT are GILLARDS fault. get over it. you dont stop reversing a fundamentally eveil policy just because you think some aspects might be hard. That labor talk. LIBERALS take the tough decisions. LABOR just takes the DUMB ones.

Not so. In this hypothetical situation TONY would be PM. TONY will be reducing people's income. But TONY wouldn't be driving down cost of living.

So, are you telling me that's OK with you? YOU ARE HAPPY FOR ABBOTT AND THE LIEBERALS TO DRIVE DOWN INCOMES ONCE THEY ARE IN POWER?

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Reply #50 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:15am:

Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.

So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax - how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.

Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!

Ho Ho Ho Ho - nobody is stupid enough to believe that would happen.

I didn't say it would happen exactly like that. If the CPI goes up the usual amount, it may be that the cost of living goes from $100 to $150 and then back down to $110 after the carbon tax is abolished.

You leave natural human greed out of your little equation. Nobody is going to reduce their prices by much if anything certainly at the secondary level.

We have seen cases of the ACCC already prosecuting companies for gouging customers over the carbon tax. I doubt there would be many cases of greed - most people would just be glad to be rid of the damn tax!

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Reply #53 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:50pm

The Government and the Greens are being deceptive focusing on the impact of this tax on our pockets. This issue is that this is yet another incremental ceding of our national sovereignty and commonwealth as a people to the faceless international bankersters and billionaire moguls want world Government and ownership of all the assets and resources in the world. In Europe they are using debt and Austerity to force those nations to give up everything to the banks and globalists. This is the urgent issue about the carbon tax and why we will not rest till it is repealed.

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Reply #54 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:54pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:15am:

Another lie by our lying PM. Abbott is definitely going to be able to repeal the carbon tax and if/when she loses the next election, she should support legislation (if she is still ALP Leader) as the Coalition did with changes to WorhChoices. Also, the tax cuts will do next to nothing to offset the effect of a higher cost of living under the carbon tax.

So when that higher cost of living has come into effect AND Abbott repeals the carbon tax - how will he reduce the cost of living?
It's a simple question. It deserves an answer.

Lets say the cost of living pre-carbon tax is $100 per week, just for a nice round number. Lets also say that the cost of living post-carbon tax will be $150 per week. Make no mistake, prices will increase under the carbon tax - that's the entire point of it, to make things such as fuel and electricity more expensive in the hope we use them less. Now, when Abbott passes legislation to repeal the carbon tax and it has been abolished, the cost of living will go back to $100 per week. It's really that simple!

Ho Ho Ho Ho - nobody is stupid enough to believe that would happen.

I didn't say it would happen exactly like that. If the CPI goes up the usual amount, it may be that the cost of living goes from $100 to $150 and then back down to $110 after the carbon tax is abolished.

You leave natural human greed out of your little equation. Nobody is going to reduce their prices by much if anything certainly at the secondary level.

We have seen cases of the ACCC already prosecuting companies for gouging customers over the carbon tax. I doubt there would be many cases of greed - most people would just be glad to be rid of the damn tax!

You are talking in large about secondary charges which will have have been locked into the price structure for about 2 years by then, nobody would even be able to identify what they are let alone take any action about it.

To think otherwise is just foolish.

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Reply #56 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:03pm

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:49pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

We have seen cases of the ACCC already prosecuting companies for gouging customers over the carbon tax. I doubt there would be many cases of greed - most people would just be glad to be rid of the damn tax!

Have we? Name two.

I read an article about it this morning - one was something to do with a wedding and guests being charged an extra $5 per head because of the carbon tax. Another I cannot remember and can't find the article.

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Reply #57 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:03pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:49pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

We have seen cases of the ACCC already prosecuting companies for gouging customers over the carbon tax. I doubt there would be many cases of greed - most people would just be glad to be rid of the damn tax!

Have we? Name two.

I read an article about it this morning - one was something to do with a wedding and guests being charged an extra $5 per head because of the carbon tax. Another I cannot remember and can't find the article.

Well assuming that first one is true then they weren't being charged because of any carbon tax were they? Because it doesn't exist yet. So they were being ripped off by a greedy merchant.

What were you saying about people not being greedy?

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Reply #58 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:09pm

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:03pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:49pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

We have seen cases of the ACCC already prosecuting companies for gouging customers over the carbon tax. I doubt there would be many cases of greed - most people would just be glad to be rid of the damn tax!

Have we? Name two.

I read an article about it this morning - one was something to do with a wedding and guests being charged an extra $5 per head because of the carbon tax. Another I cannot remember and can't find the article.

Well assuming that first one is true then they weren't being charged because of any carbon tax were they? Because it doesn't exist yet. So they were being ripped off by a greedy merchant.

What were you saying about people not being greedy?

this is also Gillards fault. She has provded the scam merchants with a new chance to ripoff people. And after all, her marketing of the CT has been as abysmal as pretty much everyhing else she has done.

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Reply #59 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:58pm:

why dont all you petty losers just wait until the CT is repealed and see how it all plays out. for now, you are just playing with yourselves creating scenarios that even that moron Greens_liquidated would be embarrassed of.

Oh sure. We'll just wait like good little munchkins and trust that the great big Lieberal party will make it all OK.

You don't have two neurons to rub together so feel free to go ahead and do that.

We'll ask pointy questions about very real consequences of actions that the Lieberals are telling us they will implement come hell or high water.

And you've assured us sooooooooooo many times that the Lieberals WILL DEFINITELY 150% FOR SURE be the next government. So it seems these consequence WILL DEFINITELY 150% FOR SURE come about. Therefore if we accept YOUR fanciful wankfest dreams then they ain't fanciful at all.

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