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Reply #75 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:37pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:54pm:

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Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:11am:

Nothing to discuss - the carbon tax will be repealed by the LIBs

63% of Australians rejects the Carbon Tax
57% of Australians want the LIBs to repeal it

So suck it up princess!!!

When will he repeal it.

How will he repeal it, since the majority of the senate will oppose it.

How much will Abbott pay in compensation to industry, and how will this compensation be funded?

And if he removes the carbon compensation, what of the carbon pricing in the economy ... how much will Abbott's action push up the cost of living pressures?

How much more expensive will electricity and food be because of Abbott's action of profiteering for the carbon lobby, for Lib's owner, Clive Palmer?

Don't wait for an answer green ... they don't have one because the reality is they don't really want to repeal it .... if they did they would have those answers all sorted by now ... they've had plenty of time

which one are you: DUMB or DUMBER or perhaps even DUMBERER. it has been explained hundreds of times the various options for a CT repeal.

Ok dumbest ... I'll explain it to you again ... it will never work .. what you explained is a hypothetical that will NEVER happen... ABBOTT will NEVER go to a DD , no matter how many times you repeat it

No matter how many times you repeat that limp argument of yours that Abbott can't/won't go to a DD, it's obvious it's what you HOPE for, not what you KNOW can/will happen.

Rubbish the requirments of the process are well documented.

Following a huge victory in 2013 which he expects a DD in 2015 can only cost him seats - its blatently obvious.

He will not take an option from which he can only lose.

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Reply #76 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

It is fair to say though Dna that as a Labor man yourself you too should be of the mindset that whoever said to Julia Gillard that entering this agreement with the Greens for a carbon tax needs to be taken outside and given a hell of a kicking.

This carbon tax was only ever going to be unpopular and has the Labor Party poll the lowest levels in opinion poll history.

Hardly covering itself in glory.

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Reply #78 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

It is fair to say though Dna that as a Labor man yourself you too should be of the mindset that whoever said to Julia Gillard that entering this agreement with the Greens for a carbon tax needs to be taken outside and given a hell of a kicking.

This carbon tax was only ever going to be unpopular and has the Labor Party poll the lowest levels in opinion poll history.

Hardly covering itself in glory.

She had to do it - otherwise she could not have formed a minority government.

I remember Bob Brown saying at the time Abbott was rude to him. I applauded Abbott for doing it because chances are he told Bob where to stick his carbon tax!

The same deal was done with Wilke and the Pokies

Not sure what Oakshott and the other d1ckhead was promised but they fell for it as well.

Perhaps this was a blessing in disguise for Abbott.

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #79 - Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:31pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

Rubbish the requirments of the process are well documented.

Following a huge victory in 2013 which he expects a DD in 2015 can only cost him seats - its blatently obvious.

He will not take an option from which he can only lose.

based on what?

If he has a huge win in 2013 based on an anti- carbon tax

Why would he lose seat in 2015 based on an anti-carbon tax?

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM Reply #80 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:15am Just do a few reruns of Gillard, Swann and Wong. The alcho's in labor are drunk with stupidity. After the reruns, ask the question. Do you really believe these idiots. Tony Abbott famously said "labor will obsolutely bring in a carbon tax"
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Reply #81 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 9:01am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

Rubbish the requirments of the process are well documented.

Following a huge victory in 2013 which he expects a DD in 2015 can only cost him seats - its blatently obvious.

He will not take an option from which he can only lose.

based on what?

If he has a huge win in 2013 based on an anti- carbon tax

Why would he lose seat in 2015 based on an anti-carbon tax?

Yes, I also cannot fathom DeNiAl's strange thinking...

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #82 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 11:31am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

____ wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:11am:

Nothing to discuss - the carbon tax will be repealed by the LIBs

63% of Australians rejects the Carbon Tax
57% of Australians want the LIBs to repeal it

So suck it up princess!!!

When will he repeal it.

How will he repeal it, since the majority of the senate will oppose it.

How much will Abbott pay in compensation to industry, and how will this compensation be funded?

And if he removes the carbon compensation, what of the carbon pricing in the economy ... how much will Abbott's action push up the cost of living pressures?

How much more expensive will electricity and food be because of Abbott's action of profiteering for the carbon lobby, for Lib's owner, Clive Palmer?

Don't wait for an answer green ... they don't have one because the reality is they don't really want to repeal it .... if they did they would have those answers all sorted by now ... they've had plenty of time

which one are you: DUMB or DUMBER or perhaps even DUMBERER. it has been explained hundreds of times the various options for a CT repeal.

Ok dumbest ... I'll explain it to you again ... it will never work .. what you explained is a hypothetical that will NEVER happen... ABBOTT will NEVER go to a DD , no matter how many times you repeat it

No matter how many times you repeat that limp argument of yours that Abbott can't/won't go to a DD, it's obvious it's what you HOPE for, not what you KNOW can/will happen.

Rubbish the requirments of the process are well documented.

Following a huge victory in 2013 which he expects a DD in 2015 can only cost him seats - its blatently obvious.

He will not take an option from which he can only lose.

A DD can actually be held ANYTIME if a bill is rejected 3 months apart. much of the soc-called analysis gets caught up on senate half-election timing and is quite wrong. And yes, Antony Green is wrong as we will all see quite soon.

And you presumption that a DD will cost Abbot seats is just that - a presumption. If the DD is held to right a wrong inflicted by a senate that refuses to honour a massive mandate, then it is the opposition parties (greens and ALP) that will lose seats. Voters hate being forced to early elections but even more they hate being told that their votes are being ignored.

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #83 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 11:33am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

It is fair to say though Dna that as a Labor man yourself you too should be of the mindset that whoever said to Julia Gillard that entering this agreement with the Greens for a carbon tax needs to be taken outside and given a hell of a kicking.

This carbon tax was only ever going to be unpopular and has the Labor Party poll the lowest levels in opinion poll history.

Hardly covering itself in glory.

She had to do it - otherwise she could not have formed a minority government.

I remember Bob Brown saying at the time Abbott was rude to him. I applauded Abbott for doing it because chances are he told Bob where to stick his carbon tax!

The same deal was done with Wilke and the Pokies

Not sure what Oakshott and the other d1ckhead was promised but they fell for it as well.

Perhaps this was a blessing in disguise for Abbott.

thats the fantasy that caused all this problem for Labor. Adam Bandt promised on election night to support Gillard. He was NEVER EVER going to support Abbott and so to promise the Greens a carbon tax in return for a vote they were always going to get was the single stupidest thing that Gillard has done.

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #84 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 5:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

____ wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:11am:

Nothing to discuss - the carbon tax will be repealed by the LIBs

63% of Australians rejects the Carbon Tax
57% of Australians want the LIBs to repeal it

So suck it up princess!!!

When will he repeal it.

How will he repeal it, since the majority of the senate will oppose it.

How much will Abbott pay in compensation to industry, and how will this compensation be funded?

And if he removes the carbon compensation, what of the carbon pricing in the economy ... how much will Abbott's action push up the cost of living pressures?

How much more expensive will electricity and food be because of Abbott's action of profiteering for the carbon lobby, for Lib's owner, Clive Palmer?

Don't wait for an answer green ... they don't have one because the reality is they don't really want to repeal it .... if they did they would have those answers all sorted by now ... they've had plenty of time

which one are you: DUMB or DUMBER or perhaps even DUMBERER. it has been explained hundreds of times the various options for a CT repeal.

Ok dumbest ... I'll explain it to you again ... it will never work .. what you explained is a hypothetical that will NEVER happen... ABBOTT will NEVER go to a DD , no matter how many times you repeat it

No matter how many times you repeat that limp argument of yours that Abbott can't/won't go to a DD, it's obvious it's what you HOPE for, [highlight]not what you KNOW can/will happen[/highlight].

Rubbish the requirments of the process are well documented.

Following a huge victory in 2013 which he expects a DD in 2015 can only cost him seats - its blatently obvious.

He will not take an option from which he can only lose.

I've got news for you sunshine ... you don't know what will happen either .... I bet you didn't think you would end up with a hung parliament .... we're talking about predicting future events ... no one KNOWS what will happen now do they? such an bright fellow

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Re: "Carbon Levy Will Never Be Repealed" PM
Reply #85 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 5:56pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 5:40pm: