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Re: Stupidity
Reply #30 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:41pm

... wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

We need to be "tolerant" of idiots - their intelligence is as out of ones control as the colour of their skin is.
However, just as you'd "politely suggest' that a 200kg heifer steer clear of 2 piece bikinis, so must the dopes be politely reminded that their vapid opinions would be best kept to themselves, or at least within the confines of a circle of their fellow idiots.

You are ignoring the ones who are so stupid, they do not realise how stupid they are.
The ability to identify people who may lack a degree of education, is very different, from recognising people who lack an ability to reason, people can be poorly educated, and very smart.

I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason, so deliberately ignore logical arguments when they see them.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Stupidity Reply #31 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:44pm Quote: Mozzaok wrote I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason How can this be done in its entirety?
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Reply #32 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:57pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:41pm:

... wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

We need to be "tolerant" of idiots - their intelligence is as out of ones control as the colour of their skin is.
However, just as you'd "politely suggest' that a 200kg heifer steer clear of 2 piece bikinis, so must the dopes be politely reminded that their vapid opinions would be best kept to themselves, or at least within the confines of a circle of their fellow idiots.

You are ignoring the ones who are so stupid, they do not realise how stupid they are.
The ability to identify people who may lack a degree of education, is very different, from recognising people who lack an ability to reason, people can be poorly educated, and very smart.

I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason, so deliberately ignore logical arguments when they see them.

I don't think it is possible to see a logical argument and ignore it (except for rhetorical reasons). It's like no-one choosing the greater evil knowingly (ie from where they are standing).

Most stupid people are stupid because they are not perceptive enough to recognise logical arguments (ie consistent and cohesive arguments).

What I find fascinating about idiots is the surprise value: they give us a glimpse into their jumble shop minds, stacked higgledy-piggledy with curios and strange, broken brick-a-brack. But like those shops, they became tiresome and frustrating after a while.

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Reply #33 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:00pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

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I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason

How can this be done in its entirety?

One example would be when parents refuse their child have a life saving medical procedure, because it involves using blood products.
They have totally assimilated a belief that is completely contrary to reason, and no amount of logical explanation, can make them divert from their delusional belief, even if the very life of their own child is at stake.
I would call that a pretty entire refusal to accept reason.

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Reply #34 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:06pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

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Mozzaok wrote
I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason

How can this be done in its entirety?

One example would be when parents refuse their child have a life saving medical procedure, because it involves using blood products.
They have totally assimilated a belief that is completely contrary to reason, and no amount of logical explanation, can make them divert from their delusional belief, even if the very life of their own child is at stake.
I would call that a pretty entire refusal to accept reason.

Yeah. I have seen this happen with 7th day adventists.

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Reply #35 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:15pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

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Mozzaok wrote
I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason

How can this be done in its entirety?

One example would be when parents refuse their child have a life saving medical procedure, because it involves using blood products.
They have totally assimilated a belief that is completely contrary to reason, and no amount of logical explanation, can make them divert from their delusional belief, even if the very life of their own child is at stake.
I would call that a pretty entire refusal to accept reason.

A good example.

It's just that I've heard people complain about others having preconceived beliefs when they too have them in their judgements.

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Reply #36 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:18pm

people are more or less rationalising creatures rather than rational - always be skeptical of somebody who claims to possess gnostic knowledge that everybody else appears to be unaware of (especially field experts) or somebody who complains about the preconcieved ideas or others - it's usually a big red flag

people who are honest about their own biases get a lot more respect from me

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Reply #37 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:30pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

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Mozzaok wrote
I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason

How can this be done in its entirety?

One example would be when parents refuse their child have a life saving medical procedure, because it involves using blood products.
They have totally assimilated a belief that is completely contrary to reason, and no amount of logical explanation, can make them divert from their delusional belief, even if the very life of their own child is at stake.
I would call that a pretty entire refusal to accept reason.

Yeah. I have seen this happen with 7th day adventists.

SOB

There was a story in the news about this very subject last week. A judge in Australia over ruled the parents wishes for a girl that needed a blood transfusion.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Stupidity Reply #38 - Jun 11^th, 2012 at 6:59pm Spot of Borg Gold Member Posts: 3854 61.17 Posts per day That must be a disorder.
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Reply #39 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:33am

... wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

We need to be "tolerant" of idiots - their intelligence is as out of ones control as the colour of their skin is.
However, just as you'd "politely suggest' that a 200kg heifer steer clear of 2 piece bikinis, so must the dopes be politely reminded that their vapid opinions would be best kept to themselves, or at least within the confines of a circle of their fellow idiots.

The problem is that their flawed thinking is franked every time they listen to talkback.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26510 Australia	Re: Stupidity Reply #40 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:42am Soren wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 6:59pm: Spot of Borg Gold Member Posts: 3854 61.17 Posts per day That must be a disorder. You know its an average right? Surely you know that. I haven't been here long so the number is higher . .. . Of course i post a lot too if you have a problem then dont read. SOB
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Reply #42 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:42am:

Soren wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

Spot of Borg
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That must be a disorder.

You know its an average right? Surely you know that. I haven't been here long so the number is higher . .. . Of course i post a lot too if you have a problem then dont read.

SOB

Please tell me you don't mean the above.

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Re: Stupidity
Reply #43 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:50am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:41pm:

I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason, so deliberately ignore logical arguments when they see them.

The human brain works on autopilot a huge proportion of the time. Think about the first time you learnt to drive or ride a bike, or windsurf. It was almost a case of sensory overload. It isn't until you put part of it on autopilot that you can handle the coordination.

The trick is knowing when to come out of autopilot. People whose lives are very routine and who have to cope with a lot of tasks on "autopilot" are not always used to active thinking. It doesn't mean that they are incapable of active thinking, it's just like a muscle they are not used to using. Of course, after long periods of disuse, the cognitive function of the brain falls into a state analogous to muscular "atrophy". Anybody who doesn't exercise their brain can succomb to this.

I was going to give an true example of a woman in Africa who haggled for a hat. The merchant tried to sell her two for 10 Francs CFA. The woman then got angry that he was trying to cheat her and said that she only wanted one hat. She then agreed on 10 Francs CFA for one hat. I found the original story and it was much funnier, but it was in "African" French.

Anyway-

I think that's more gross ignorance than stupidity, but hey....

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Reply #44 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 9:06am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 1:41pm:

I consider the worst of all are those who put preconceived beliefs, above reason, so deliberately ignore logical arguments when they see them.

Whose logic are we talking about? Who's an expert on logic? We all see things differently and even if something sounds logical to you - it may not sound logical to someone else.

It amazes me how many people with average IQ's are successful and it's mainly because they're one-eyed.

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