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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #30 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:39am

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

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Apprently Gillard lied in almost every sentence she uttered and typically ABC did not hold her to account.

What lies?

For one, she claimed that under Howard the TPV's "didn't make a difference", to use her exact words. All the evidence that is freely available to her points to the complete opposite.

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Yes, Miss Gillard did extremely well on Q&A and, yet again, campaigned very successfully for the soon to be returned Coalition.

you mean perhaps in 18 months they might get in? Not if abbott is still there.

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They didn't, they just forced more women & children onto boats due to their restrictive nature.
Did you miss the answer?
Or don't you care that more women & children got onto boats to reunite with husbands & fathers?

As a father, I know that if I left my wife and kids back home while I go to Australia, it would only be because I was country shopping, not because I or they were in danger.

If I or they were in danger, we would all go.

go where? they didn't have definite destinations, they don't know what will happen or even how they will do it .. many go to see what they can find before sending for their wife and kids. ....

Because their wife and kids are not in danger.

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Reply #31 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:45am

I have many reservations about Gillard, she seems politically naive and frequently takes bad advice. But last night she was very impressive.

She seemed in her element with a relatively small audience and no script. She answered all questions openly and honestly without getting into negativity. For once, she came across as a Prime Minister.

But her position on gay marriage is incomprehensible. She appears to believe that because she and her partner don't feel the need to marry neither should anyone else. That makes no sense.

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #32 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:46am

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

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Apprently Gillard lied in almost every sentence she uttered and typically ABC did not hold her to account.

What lies?

For one, she claimed that under Howard the TPV's "didn't make a difference", to use her exact words. All the evidence that is freely available to her points to the complete opposite.

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Yes, Miss Gillard did extremely well on Q&A and, yet again, campaigned very successfully for the soon to be returned Coalition.

you mean perhaps in 18 months they might get in? Not if abbott is still there.

SOB

They didn't, they just forced more women & children onto boats due to their restrictive nature.
Did you miss the answer?
Or don't you care that more women & children got onto boats to reunite with husbands & fathers?

As a father, I know that if I left my wife and kids back home while I go to Australia, it would only be because I was country shopping, not because I or they were in danger.

If I or they were in danger, we would all go.

Actually I used to know a guy from bulgaria who was a refugee. He and several mates escaped the country and left their families behind and were trying to find a way to get them to join them. He wasnt in australia as a refugee though - he went to turkey (i think it was turkey) as a refugee. They gave him a passport etc and he came here to try to make the money to transport his family here.

It sounded to me when he told the the story that it was just too dangerous to try to bring them @ the time he escaped. This may be the same thing with a lot of these refugees.

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #33 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:47am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

I have many reservations about Gillard, she seems politically naive and frequently takes bad advice. But last night she was very impressive.

She seemed in her element with a relatively small audience and no script. She answered all questions openly and honestly without getting into negativity. For once, she came across as a Prime Minister.

But her position on gay marriage is incomprehensible. She appears to believe that because she and her partner don't feel the need to marry neither should anyone else. That makes no sense.

Yeah. Its strange.

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #34 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:58am

The violent and erratic nature of the Gillard Government is increasing dangerously by the hour as its deceit and darkness deepens. A closet Lesbian Prime Minister waging a ruthless homosexual propaganda campaign against the Australian people is looking crazier and more unstable by the moment bringing past political thugs like Hitler and Stalin to mind as she continues to lie to and treat the will of the Australian people with contempt aided and abetted by an army of spin doctors and apologists.

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Reply #35 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 11:02am

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Quote:

Apprently Gillard lied in almost every sentence she uttered and typically ABC did not hold her to account.

What lies?

For one, she claimed that under Howard the TPV's "didn't make a difference", to use her exact words. All the evidence that is freely available to her points to the complete opposite.

Quote:

Yes, Miss Gillard did extremely well on Q&A and, yet again, campaigned very successfully for the soon to be returned Coalition.

you mean perhaps in 18 months they might get in? Not if abbott is still there.

SOB

They didn't, they just forced more women & children onto boats due to their restrictive nature.
Did you miss the answer?
Or don't you care that more women & children got onto boats to reunite with husbands & fathers?

As a father, I know that if I left my wife and kids back home while I go to Australia, it would only be because I was country shopping, not because I or they were in danger.

If I or they were in danger, we would all go.

What YOU may

THINK

you will do in that circumstance from the comfort & safety of your home in Australia,has absolutely no bearing on or for you argument that TPV's decreased migration through boats.
Try & stick to the topic.

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #36 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 11:54am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

But her position on gay marriage is incomprehensible.

Not really.

It's all to do with who put her in her position and who keeps her there.

The reason she opposes same sex marriage is all to do with Joe de Bruyn, the SDA, and the Catholic Church.

The unions run the ALP.
The biggest union in Australia is run by Joe de Bruyn and the Catholic Church.
Joe de Bruyn is a fierce opponent of gay marriage.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-11-19/union-boss-savages-gillard-on-gay-marriage...

Julia is just saying what she's been told to say.

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Reply #37 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:17pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Quote:

Apprently Gillard lied in almost every sentence she uttered and typically ABC did not hold her to account.

What lies?

For one, she claimed that under Howard the TPV's "didn't make a difference", to use her exact words. All the evidence that is freely available to her points to the complete opposite.

Quote:

Yes, Miss Gillard did extremely well on Q&A and, yet again, campaigned very successfully for the soon to be returned Coalition.

you mean perhaps in 18 months they might get in? Not if abbott is still there.

SOB

They didn't, they just forced more women & children onto boats due to their restrictive nature.
Did you miss the answer?
Or don't you care that more women & children got onto boats to reunite with husbands & fathers?

As a father, I know that if I left my wife and kids back home while I go to Australia, it would only be because I was country shopping, not because I or they were in danger.

If I or they were in danger, we would all go.

go where? they didn't have definite destinations, they don't know what will happen or even how they will do it .. many go to see what they can find before sending for their wife and kids. ....

they DIDNT know they were going to australia?? you realyl want to lead with that? Did they think the boat was headed to america or sweden?

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #38 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:19pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Quote:

Apprently Gillard lied in almost every sentence she uttered and typically ABC did not hold her to account.

What lies?

For one, she claimed that under Howard the TPV's "didn't make a difference", to use her exact words. All the evidence that is freely available to her points to the complete opposite.

Quote:

Yes, Miss Gillard did extremely well on Q&A and, yet again, campaigned very successfully for the soon to be returned Coalition.

you mean perhaps in 18 months they might get in? Not if abbott is still there.

SOB

They didn't, they just forced more women & children onto boats due to their restrictive nature.
Did you miss the answer?
Or don't you care that more women & children got onto boats to reunite with husbands & fathers?

As a father, I know that if I left my wife and kids back home while I go to Australia, it would only be because I was country shopping, not because I or they were in danger.

If I or they were in danger, we would all go.

What YOU may

THINK

you will do in that circumstance from the comfort & safety of your home in Australia,has absolutely no bearing on or for you argument that TPV's decreased migration through boats.
Try & stick to the topic.

whilst a very true statement it is just as unequivocably true that Howards Solution stopped the boats. If we want to be pedantic about truth then we cannot ignore the WHOLE STORY.

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #39 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:21pm

I got great video footage yesterday of Julia Gillard at a press conference with one of her faceless Gay mimics who stands on her shoulder and mirrors everything she does. Neat little psychological ploy by our deceptive Government...I will put in on youtube so people can see what I mean and supply the link. The Kitschko Boxing brothers employ similar mind game strategies.

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #40 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Quote:

Apprently Gillard lied in almost every sentence she uttered and typically ABC did not hold her to account.

What lies?

For one, she claimed that under Howard the TPV's "didn't make a difference", to use her exact words. All the evidence that is freely available to her points to the complete opposite.

Quote:

Yes, Miss Gillard did extremely well on Q&A and, yet again, campaigned very successfully for the soon to be returned Coalition.

you mean perhaps in 18 months they might get in? Not if abbott is still there.

SOB

They didn't, they just forced more women & children onto boats due to their restrictive nature.
Did you miss the answer?
Or don't you care that more women & children got onto boats to reunite with husbands & fathers?

As a father, I know that if I left my wife and kids back home while I go to Australia, it would only be because I was country shopping, not because I or they were in danger.

If I or they were in danger, we would all go.

What YOU may

THINK

you will do in that circumstance from the comfort & safety of your home in Australia,has absolutely no bearing on or for you argument that TPV's decreased migration through boats.
Try & stick to the topic.

whilst a very true statement it is just as unequivocably true that Howards Solution stopped the boats. If we want to be pedantic about truth then we cannot ignore the WHOLE STORY.

True but the questioner asked when TPV's would be reintroduced to "stop the boats".(I thought the funniest part was that she had a German accent so thick you could barely understand her, obviously high up in the Hitler Youth back in the day)
Progs stated that she lied in her answer

And on your footnote(offshore processing stops boats(not TPV's btw)) she responded that she tried but was overruled by the high court & parliament, which again is true.
Now I know you & others will immediately fire back deep concern for the welfare of these poor people in that iron fisted nation with a democratically elected government(do we call the leader of Malaysia PM or Furher, I always get mixed up)
but it's bullsh!t & everyone knows it is.
You, Tony & the rest of conservatives couldn't give a flying phark about these people's welfare, it's nothing more than politics.

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Reply #41 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

whilst a very true statement it is just as unequivocably true that Howards Solution stopped the boats. If we want to be pedantic about truth then we cannot ignore the WHOLE STORY.

Is it? Then maybe you can answer the question I posed in another thread because macca and AP and lolly have all drawn a blank:

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:32am:

The Pacific Solution worked and Labor got rid off it

How any person can look at that graph and claim the Pacific Solution was anything but a resounding success at stopping the boats is completely beyond my comprehension.

How did it stop the boats across the entire OECD?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments//AsylumSeekersAusOECD.jpg

Source: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...

Do you even understand the question?

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #42 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:10pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

I have many reservations about Gillard, she seems politically naive and frequently takes bad advice. But last night she was very impressive.

She seemed in her element with a relatively small audience and no script. She answered all questions openly and honestly without getting into negativity. For once, she came across as a Prime Minister.

But her position on gay marriage is incomprehensible. She appears to believe that because she and her partner don't feel the need to marry neither should anyone else. That makes no sense.

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Reply #43 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 11:40pm:

I watched the PM on Q&A tonight, and I am pleased that she finally has seen fit to try and develop a more personal style of dialogue with the electorate.
I bemoan the fact that she is far less politically aggressive than I would like, and that she did not begin to try and develop this type of engagement a lot sooner.

When she used the example of the Mabo case, to highlight the disgusting, divisive fear mongering, engaged in by the Liberal Nationals coalition, she did so with understated dignity.
I would have loved to see her stick the boot in, like Keating would have.

The Libs are likely going to win on the false perception that they hold a high ground on moral issues, and before people blindly accept that, the immoral fear mongering, championed and spread with lies and misinformation, that they seem to take so much delight in, should be held up before all, and shown as the lowly behaviour that it really is.

Yes the understated dignity which our PM displayed last night was refreshing.

The 1st questioner was delicately put into her place, whining she gets nothing but admitting shes on an income of over 150K.
Tony tried to divert with stupid leadership & party room infighting but again was put in his place in a calm authoritative way.

She not backing away either with more reforms on the way, others may shirk but it seems she has adopted the "Die on your Feet" attitude & bloody good on her.

Abbott remains absent from any form of serious political program & is happy to have his ass kissed by the morning programs, as alluded too previously he avoids unscripted interviews like the plague.

Anyhoo just my 2 cents worth, if as our Liberal friends say the electorate has stopped listening they have nothing to worry about & we can look forward to having a gutless short sighted PM for at least 3 years.

I didn't watch it last night, but this type of idiocy is all too familiar from our loony left - stuff everyone who does well for themselves.

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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #44 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:03pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Quote:

Apprently Gillard lied in almost every sentence she uttered and typically ABC did not hold her to account.

What lies?

For one, she claimed that under Howard the TPV's "didn't make a difference", to use her exact words. All the evidence that is freely available to her points to the complete opposite.

Quote:

Yes, Miss Gillard did extremely well on Q&A and, yet again, campaigned very successfully for the soon to be returned Coalition.

you mean perhaps in 18 months they might get in? Not if abbott is still there.

SOB

They didn't, they just forced more women & children onto boats due to their restrictive nature.
Did you miss the answer?
Or don't you care that more women & children got onto boats to reunite with husbands & fathers?

As a father, I know that if I left my wife and kids back home while I go to Australia, it would only be because I was country shopping, not because I or they were in danger.

If I or they were in danger, we would all go.

What YOU may

THINK

you will do in that circumstance from the comfort & safety of your home in Australia,has absolutely no bearing on or for you argument that TPV's decreased migration through boats.
Try & stick to the topic.

whilst a very true statement it is just as unequivocably true that Howards Solution stopped the boats. If we want to be pedantic about truth then we cannot ignore the WHOLE STORY.

True but the questioner asked when TPV's would be reintroduced to "stop the boats".(I thought the funniest part was that she had a German accent so thick you could barely understand her, obviously high up in the Hitler Youth back in the day)
Progs stated that she lied in her answer

And on your footnote(offshore processing stops boats(not TPV's btw)) she responded that she tried but was overruled by the high court & parliament, which again is true.
Now I know you & others will immediately fire back deep concern for the welfare of these poor people in that iron fisted nation with a democratically elected government(do we call the leader of Malaysia PM or Furher, I always get mixed up)
but it's bullsh!t & everyone knows it is.
You, Tony & the rest of conservatives couldn't give a flying phark about these people's welfare, it's nothing more than politics.

Wrong again. She can re-open Nauru any time that she wants. The boats were stopped there, and unlike Malaysia, it is signatory to the UN convention. You want to talk about playing politics - look no further than Rudd and JuLIAR getting rid of the Nauru solution. You have no evidence that we don't care about the welfare of these people.

And for the record, this government was not elected.

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