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Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A
Reply #75 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:41pm

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:18pm:

More like the sharp downward trend when the pacific solution kicked in, in 2001, then a lag of a year after 2007 when the pacific solution stopped, before we see a sharp increase.

For Australia maybe.

But for the OECD the downward trend continued until 2006 when it started rising again. Just in time for the Pacific Solution to be canned in 2007.

Now how did that happen?

OECD was sharp down, then sharp up. An event maybe. Australia's has been a gradual incline from the low of lows and then a sharp increase from 2008. Suggest a lag from a good policy.

lolly, sounds you've got it the wrong way around. The dark stuff is Australia's numbers. The pale stuff is OECD.

Yes you and I have the colours right, and.

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Reply #76 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:50pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Yes you and I have the colours right, and.

And???

Source: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...

For Australia 2007 was about 4,000, for 2,008 was about 5,000 and for 2009 it was about 6,000 ... hardly a "sharp rise" post 2008. The trend is similar at about 1,000 extra per year.

In any case beyond 2007 there was no longer a PS so there's no PS for you to claim an effect one way or the other.

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Reply #77 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:12pm

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Yes you and I have the colours right, and.

And???

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments//AsylumSeekersAusOECD.jpg

Source: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...

For Australia 2007 was about 4,000, for 2,008 was about 5,000 and for 2009 it was about 6,000 ... hardly a "sharp rise" post 2008. The trend is similar at about 1,000 extra per year.

In any case beyond 2007 there was no longer a PS so there's no PS for you to claim an effect one way or the other.

The trends are years apart as I have explained. Perfectly in line with the pacific solution apart from the lag after the pacific solution stopped. The lag caused by country shoppers getting the word that labor are easy.

And notice the 2 trends now coming together under labor.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A Reply #78 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:17pm The Prime Minister did very well talking to an audience of informed and intelligent people. Unfortunately it takes an idiot like Abbott to inspire the masses.
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Reply #79 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:03pm

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

matty wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

Studies show that the red-headed lying bitch is not wanted, and neither is her communistic carbon tax. Time to ditch the bitch, although, I do kind of thank her, because she is one of our biggest election-winning assets.

matty... you're a girl now? You've had the snip?

Does that mean you're now officially a dickless fool? Cheesy

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Reply #80 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:07pm

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

matty wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

matty wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

Studies show that the red-headed lying bitch is not wanted, and neither is her communistic carbon tax. Time to ditch the bitch, although, I do kind of thank her, because she is one of our biggest election-winning assets.

matty... you're a girl now? You've had the snip?

Does that mean you're now officially a dickless fool? Cheesy

Your vile comments don't deserve an answer.

But you did answer me. Unless someone has hacked your account. It isn't blackadder/angeleyes is it?

Hey! Are you the "girlfriend" she keeps babbling about??

A serious answer.

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Reply #81 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:09am

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

The trends are years apart as I have explained. Perfectly in line with the pacific solution apart from the lag after the pacific solution stopped.

Lag?? 2003-2004 with PS in full swing and numbers were falling in both OECD and Australia. Then 2006-2007 the numbers were both rising, still with PS in full swing.

But more to the point, WHY? Why was there any connection in the OECD with the Pacific Solution?

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Reply #82 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:26am

Gist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

The trends are years apart as I have explained. Perfectly in line with the pacific solution apart from the lag after the pacific solution stopped.

Lag?? 2003-2004 with PS in full swing and numbers were falling in both OECD and Australia. Then 2006-2007 the numbers were both rising, still with PS in full swing.

But more to the point, WHY? Why was there any connection in the OECD with the Pacific Solution?

Because the Pacific Solution worked

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A Reply #83 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:32am quite simply the pacific Solution was a BOAT PEOPLE policy. any graph to compare across the OECD has to compare boat people numbers. Otherwise you really are only comparing apples with oranges
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Reply #84 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:36am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:26am:

Gist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

The trends are years apart as I have explained. Perfectly in line with the pacific solution apart from the lag after the pacific solution stopped.

Lag?? 2003-2004 with PS in full swing and numbers were falling in both OECD and Australia. Then 2006-2007 the numbers were both rising, still with PS in full swing.

But more to the point, WHY? Why was there any connection in the OECD with the Pacific Solution?

Because the Pacific Solution worked

*tsk* Another one who doesn't understand the question.

OK macca... the OECD currently comprises these countries:

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Chile
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Korea
Luxembourg
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Slovak Republic
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States

Can you explain how the Pacific Solution reduced numbers of asylum seekers in Slovenia for instance? Or maybe that's a hard one. Maybe something closer at hand - how did Australia's Pacific Solution reduce the numbers of asylum seekers lobbing up in New Zealand?

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: Gillard did very well, on Q&A Reply #85 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:38am well lets have the pacific solution again, but also make it work. this dosn't need to be deciced by politicians and members of parliment.
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Reply #86 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:32am

matty wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

matty wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Look at the carbon tax, for just one example of Labor's communism. Why take from the rich and middle, to give to the working, poor and dole bludgers?

You do not even try to understand issues, yet come on here & try engage in political debate.
The Carbon tax is not a personal income tax, it a company tax FFS.
Its not taking from the "Rich,middle or for that matter low income earners"

And before you type your uninformed bile remember Tony wishes to tax business so poor, middle & rich can have Kids.
Communism & social engineering all in 1
Why won't his tax flow on
Why when his tax nets a hell of a lot more companies than 500 won't it close people down.

If I actually thought you were for real & not some wanker personality of a lonely person whose only friend is a keyboard I would be truly frightened

A company tax? It is all going to flow through, and only those on lower incomes, and dole bludgers, are going to be compensated. I would try engaging in some actual debate with you, but why should I even bother when you post such rude and vile remarks?

WHY would Smithy be expected to ever engage YOU(matty) in INTELLIGENT debate,

He would not want to be guilty of defeating an unarmed opponent.

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Reply #87 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:57am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:32am:

quite simply the pacific Solution was a BOAT PEOPLE policy. any graph to compare across the OECD has to compare boat people numbers. Otherwise you really are only comparing apples with oranges

Well you're trying anyway. Except the graph shows ALL asylum seekers, both in Australia and the OECD. And numbers dropped across the board during the years of the Pacific Solution.

So maybe you also want to answer how the PS (aimed at boats, as you say) also produced a drop in asylum seekers arriving in Australia by plane? Because that seems to be the evidence.

Well?

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Reply #88 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm

So I take it lolly and longliar bow out... no explanations from them either huh?

So NOBODY can explain how the Pacific Solution induced a reduction in asylum seeker numbers across the OECD?

Then there's no option but to accept the contrary alternative - that the Pacific Solution reduction was as a result of falling numbers across the OECD. That it wasn't the PS driving the falling numbers but instead the falling numbers seen in the PS was driven by the OECD fall.

In other words, the Pacific Solution DID NOT "stop the boats".

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Reply #89 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:03pm

Gist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

The trends are years apart as I have explained. Perfectly in line with the pacific solution apart from the lag after the pacific solution stopped.

Lag?? 2003-2004 with PS in full swing and numbers were falling in both OECD and Australia. Then 2006-2007 the numbers were both rising, still with PS in full swing.

But more to the point, WHY? Why was there any connection in the OECD with the Pacific Solution?

We had already fallen sharply a year earlier as I stated and as the graph states.

The only connection to OECD is seeing labor bring Australia and the OECD equal as shown on the end of the graph.

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