You do not get a legitimate mandate for major reform through a general election because there are too many variables in the result.  Legitimacy for major reform only comes through a separate referendum requiring a majority of people in a majority of states supporting it.   These corrupt politicians are trying to get around that through the general election and often outright lying to the voters then claiming a mandate - it is however not legitimate.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

Some things are not supposed to get done, somethings are not about reform, they are about corruption and criminal conspiracy and the public must have its final right of veto through a referendum.  Put your carbon tax, your euthanasia and anything else like that to the people in a separate referendum or just leave it alone.  Because circumventing the will of the people is not on.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Bullshyte, the daily poll stats can be manipulated to say what ever you like - I am not afraid of referendum on these subjects..why then are your kind?  Why are you always trying to manipulate the political system, flat out lie and anything else to thwart the democratic will of the people?  You are gutless that's why and a corrupt toad.

John Smith wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Bullshyte, for major reform, the people should always decide in a referendum, that is our only safeguard against political corruption and organized crime.  It is not the people who lack common sense it is organized political corruption and crime.

Governments are not permitted to conduct major reform outside a referendum in which they gain and affirmative vote in a majority of people in a majority of states.  That is the only legal mandate for major reform.

This Carbon Tax was forced through on lies which tells you it should never have happened without a referendum and does not have legitimacy.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:


I think that's very hopeful, I'll be suprised if he gets more than 54%, if he wins at all

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:



There's always about 3 focal polices, at the moment repeal the CT, MMRT and offshore processing would be Tony's, Rudd IMO was WC,CC and reform of health.
Inserting something after the election or something that was released on the 4th page with 3 lines, is not on.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:


Of course it is

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:


Pairing is essential to the working of Parliament, if it wasn't there as you said government would not work.
Behavior well, they could do worse than at least try and emulate how the Brits go about debate.

corporate_whitey wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 8:26pm:


You truly are the quint essential dick head are you not? Possibly the most perfect example of low IQ i have seen!!!

If it were possible for the Australian electorate to have been more gullible than to have believed the children over board or weapons of mass deception lies, then they prove beyond question their ignorance when they suck up the opposition claims over the ETS.

The courage and clear positives of tackling air pollution in the same way we unquestionably address water and earth pollution, through initiatives like the ETS and the announced marine parks are a clear example of genuine reform not lip service to ignorance.

Abbott may not marginally mislead your understanding in the next election, so don't be confused. He stands for selfish mis conceived illusion, that somehow if we all hold blindly to the selfish, greedy obsessions that gave us the GFC all will magically be solved. Good luck with that, i was thinking i might take a mortgage that was 15x my annual wage and then blame everyone else but me because i cannot repay it.