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Re: Pure ecstasy safe - Top health offical
Reply #30 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:16pm

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

No they don't.

These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser"

F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.

I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it.

ahhh right you are.

But it'd be a very dumb dealer indeed who mixed in meth or other drugs and sold it as weed, when you consider how much more expensive they are. Nothing to stop people mixing up their own snow cones though.

They don't mix in large quantities, just enough to get you hooked, and enough to change the nature of the high enough to charge a premium for the 'quality' product. An addict is far more profitable than a casual user.

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Re: Pure ecstasy safe - Top health offical
Reply #31 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:56am

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:16pm:

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

No they don't.

These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser"

F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.

I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it.

ahhh right you are.

But it'd be a very dumb dealer indeed who mixed in meth or other drugs and sold it as weed, when you consider how much more expensive they are. Nothing to stop people mixing up their own snow cones though.

They don't mix in large quantities, just enough to get you hooked, and enough to change the nature of the high enough to charge a premium for the 'quality' product. An addict is far more profitable than a casual user.

you got some evidence of this? I have worked in a field that brought me in contact with a lot of drug addicts and I never heard of anything like this. Nobody is worried about "addicting" anyone to weed.

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Re: Pure ecstasy safe - Top health offical
Reply #32 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 10:33am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:56am:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:16pm:

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

No they don't.

These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser"

F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.

I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it.

ahhh right you are.

But it'd be a very dumb dealer indeed who mixed in meth or other drugs and sold it as weed, when you consider how much more expensive they are. Nothing to stop people mixing up their own snow cones though.

They don't mix in large quantities, just enough to get you hooked, and enough to change the nature of the high enough to charge a premium for the 'quality' product. An addict is far more profitable than a casual user.

you got some evidence of this? I have worked in a field that brought me in contact with a lot of drug addicts and I never heard of anything like this. Nobody is worried about "addicting" anyone to weed.

SOB

That's because it is not just weed. And no I do not have evidence.

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Reply #33 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 1:23pm

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system.

Who told you that?

Jesus

I see. Well it looks like jesus is telling you porkies.

Of course not all but majority of stuff on the street is hydro and filled with chemicals.

Hydro cannabis is no different and no more 'dangerous' than a hydro tomato.

No but its the hydro that usually gets the chemicals sprayed on it. More often then not I think.

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Reply #34 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 1:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Has it got any actual uses other than to get high?

SOB

It was originally a psychiatric drug made by Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, it was prescribed to patients to help them open up for evaluation.

A few deaths have been recorded so how safe is it?

Safer then a majority of legal drugs

i takes a special kind of idiot to say that ectasy is less harmeful than a majoriy of other legal drugs.

But it certainly explains the inconsistent low quality of your posting. too many drugs floating around in that under-powered brain of yours.

So you going to back up your claims then?

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Reply #35 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 1:25pm

Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs
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A report by the Florida Medical Examiners Commission has concluded that prescription drugs have outstripped illegal drugs as a cause of death.

An analysis of 168,900 autopsies conducted in Florida in 2007 found that three times as many people were killed by legal drugs as by cocaine, heroin and all methamphetamines put together. According to state law enforcement officials, this is a sign of a burgeoning prescription drug abuse problem.

"The abuse has reached epidemic proportions," said Lisa McElhaney, a sergeant in the pharmaceutical drug diversion unit of the Broward County Sheriff's Office. "It's just explosive."

In 2007, cocaine was responsible for 843 deaths, heroin for 121, methamphetamines for 25 and marijuana for zero, for a total of 989 deaths. In contrast, 2,328 people were killed by opioid painkillers, including Vicodin and Oxycontin, and 743 were killed by drugs containing benzodiazepine, including the depressants Valium and Xanax.

Alcohol directly caused 466 deaths, but was found in the bodies of 4,179 cadavers in all.

While the number of dead bodies containing heroin jumped 14 percent from the prior year, to a total of 110, the number of deaths influenced by the painkiller oxycodone increased by 36 percent, to a total of 1,253.

Across the country, prescription drugs have become an increasingly popular alternative to the more difficult to acquire illegal drugs. Even as illegal drug use among teenagers have fallen, prescription drug abuse has increased. For example, while 4 percent of U.S. 12th graders were using Oxycontin in 2002, by 2005 that number had increased to 5.5 percent.

It's not hard for teens to come by prescription drugs, according to Sgt. Tracy Busby, supervisor of the Calaveras County, Calif., Sheriff's Office narcotics unit.

"You go to every medicine cabinet in the county, and I bet you're going to find some sort of prescription medicine in 95 percent of them," he said.

Adults can acquire prescriptions by faking injuries, or by visiting multiple doctors and pharmacies for the same health complaint. Some people get more drugs than they expect to need, then sell the extras.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Pure ecstasy safe - Top health offical Reply #36 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 1:42pm Quote: i takes a special kind of idiot to say that ectasy is less harmeful than a majoriy of other legal drugs. It takes a smart person to back away when he knows he is wrong longy
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Reply #38 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs. ever heard of the term PRO-RATA???

and then again there is the other side of the coin which is 'how many lives we SAVED by prescription drugs. ANSWER: MILLIONS

how many lives were saved by the used of ecstasy etc? ANSWER NONE

easy as.

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Reply #40 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 7:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs. ever heard of the term PRO-RATA???

and then again there is the other side of the coin which is 'how many lives we SAVED by prescription drugs. ANSWER: MILLIONS

how many lives were saved by the used of ecstasy etc? ANSWER NONE

easy as.

IDIOT

MDMA was first used as a psychotherapy drug with positive results.

Then it was made illegal.

MDMA COULD be used in a positive and therapeutic way and could save lives and/or improve the quality of lives.

Illegality doesnt automatically equal "bad".

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Reply #41 - Jun 16^th, 2012 at 7:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs.

IDIOT

Drugs have been used by man since caveman days.

It's in our nature (thank zeus) to seek mind altering and conscience expanding substances.

Many lives have been positively affected by the use of psychoactive and hallucinogenic drugs.

Look at steve jobs experiences. Look at francis cricks experiences. sigmund freud. and many many others.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16532_the-5-greatest-things-ever-accomplished-whi...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/23/lsd-ecstacy-health-benefits

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Reply #43 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 11:19am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs. ever heard of the term PRO-RATA???

and then again there is the other side of the coin which is 'how many lives we SAVED by prescription drugs. ANSWER: MILLIONS

how many lives were saved by the used of ecstasy etc? ANSWER NONE

easy as.

IDIOT

Please you are calling me an idiot? You only say this stuff because you are affixed to oppose 'the left'. Even tho the left has nothing to do with this.
Prescription drugs are more dangerous even in ratio. Plus its harder to weigh up because prescription drugs have more long term effects where as illicit is mainly just immediate.
With you argument one would assume that you wouldn't have anything against weed which isn't dangerous? But no as a perfect example of your unscrupulous bias you are opposed to that to which really makes your opinions invalid as even they are not subject to your own logic.
Plenty of lives have been helped by ecstasy, there are many pharmaceutical drugs which serve the same purpose i.e. brain stimulation.
You are pathetic.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Pure ecstasy safe - Top health offical Reply #44 - Jun 17^th, 2012 at 11:20am freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:52pm: Quote: EVERY american takes prescription drugs Whereas only 90% use drugs recreationally? Almost all have tried drugs at some time, especially pot. Which as you can see long weekend is opposed to even tho by his 'logic' it would be ok.
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