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Ashby case about to explode IN Liberals face.
Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

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James Ashby, who worked as a media adviser to the Speaker of the Federal Parliament, Peter Slipper, worked to undermine his boss by giving information to a tabloid journalist and to his political rivals, a court has heard.

David Chin, the barrister for Mr Slipper, told the Federal Court today that Mr Ashby's lawsuit for sexual harassment has been designed to cause "political and reputational damage" to the Speaker and for the "political advantage of his political opponents in the Liberal-National party", including former Howard cabinet minister Mal Brough.

Julian Burnside, QC, for the Commonwealth, told Justice Steven Rares that mobile phone records show Mr Ashby and another adviser, Karen Doane, "were working together to undermine Mr Slipper when they were still working for him".

Mr Burnside alleged the two advisers "provided sensitive material" to News Ltd journalist Steve Lewis - who was present in the court's public gallery today - and provided "politically sensitive information" to Mr Brough.

He said there were "interesting texts" sent between Mr Ashby, Ms Doane, Mr Lewis and Mr Brough.

The court heard the Commonwealth was considering the ongoing employment of Mr Ashby and Ms Doane in the light of the phone records.

Steve Lewis ... it has been alleged two advisors "provided sensitive material" to him. Photo: Lyn Mills

Justice Rares granted leave to issue subpoenas to Mr Lewis, Mr Brough, Ms Doane and Mr Ashby's media spokesman Anthony McClellan.
A notice to produce will be issued to Mr Ashby.

Mr Burnside said Ms Doane and Mr Ashby had been on paid leave since the matter "blew up" - and that it was caused by their own actions.

He said the two staffers used material "they should never have leaked to the press and to former members of Parliament".

He said the Commonwealth, as their employer, wanted mobile phone records to "review" their continued employment as a matter of urgency.

He said some text messages referred to paragraphs in the affidavits that had been filed in the matter.

"It's a matter of concern that since then they have been on paid leave and this is a matter that needs to be put to rest quickly," he said.

Meanwhile, Justice Rares ordered Mr Ashby's lawyers to provide the Commonwealth and Mr Slipper's lawyers with an unredacted version of his April 13 affidavit.

Michael Lee, SC, for Mr Ashby, had argued the redacted parts were covered by legal professional privilege.

But Justice Rares rejected this, saying privilege had been waived.

The hearing continues.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/text-trail-reveals-link-between-ashby-journo-and--slippers-rivals-court-20120615-20e55.html#ixzz1xpX7tcli

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Ashby case about to explode IN Liberals face. Reply #1 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:20pm You think they would have learned after Gretch. Oh hang on that was Malcolm's poor judgement according to fanboys, so this must be Abbott's poor judgement. He can see the prize moving further & further out of reach.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Ashby case about to explode IN Liberals face. Reply #2 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 2:48pm Where are all the usual suspects now???? come out from under your rocks, your heroes Liberal lies are now being exposed.
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Ashby case about to explode IN Liberals face. Reply #4 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:27pm How does this so called collusion - lessen the charges of sexual harassment? If there were collusion and if there was sexual harassment then does this mean it cancel each other out and Slipper is not guilty?
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Ashby case about to explode IN Liberals face. Reply #5 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:35pm Maqqa wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:27pm: How does this so called collusion - lessen the charges of sexual harassment? If there were collusion and if there was sexual harassment then does this mean it cancel each other out and Slipper is not guilty? Its not harassment if its entrapment
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Reply #6 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:36pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

How does this so called collusion - lessen the charges of sexual harassment?

If there were collusion and if there was sexual harassment then does this mean it cancel each other out and Slipper is not guilty?

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Reply #7 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:41pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

How does this so called collusion - lessen the charges of sexual harassment?

If there were collusion and if there was sexual harassment then does this mean it cancel each other out and Slipper is not guilty?

It kills Ashby's credibility - how can we believe him when the whole thing seems contrived for political gain?

So now that it's been proven he was placed in Slipper's office by the LNP in order to set him up for Sexual Harrassment charges who does this look bad for?

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Reply #9 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:35pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

How does this so called collusion - lessen the charges of sexual harassment?

If there were collusion and if there was sexual harassment then does this mean it cancel each other out and Slipper is not guilty?

Its not harassment if its entrapment

not that I care one iotia about this case, but just for the record, there is no law against entrapment in Austtralie unliek in the USA.

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Reply #10 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:35pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

How does this so called collusion - lessen the charges of sexual harassment?

If there were collusion and if there was sexual harassment then does this mean it cancel each other out and Slipper is not guilty?

Its not harassment if its entrapment

not that I care one iotia about this case, but just for the record, there is no law against entrapment in Austtralie unliek in the USA.

The law doesn't come into it really.

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What do you think the public perception would be?
Pretty sure Liberal 2pp support would crash to Alp numbers
Who knows this might be the catalyst for a Green lead lower house Grin

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Reply #11 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

not that I care one iotia about this case, but just for the record, there is no law against entrapment in Austtralie unliek in the USA.

Don't you? Lost interest? Because there was a time when you certainly did care:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

lisa.greek wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 10:49am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 10:36am:

lisa.greek wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 10:19am:

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

Gist wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

Irrelevant Soren. Tony is now a defendant in a court matter. Under the new integrity rules as laid down by Tony himself, he MUST stand aside until this is cleared up by the courts.

THOSE ARE TONY'S RULES. TONY HAS TO LIVE BY THEM.

Where did he say that if a parliamentarian is sued for what he or she has said, he/she must stand aside?
I can't find any such pronouncement from anyone.

In any case, I though Gillard made Thopson stand aside and Slipper volunteered. You've heard differently?

I agree that Abbott should be made to stand aside...

after FWA has come out with its report in 4 years time
after the party has taken a further 4 years to vacillate on the matter
after Abbotts workplace has been raided

sounds quite fair to me.

It would be fair IF the thread were discussing Thomson and Abbott. But it isn't - it is discussing Slipper and Abbott both of whom are now caught up in civil court actions. Slipper stood aside to allow due process in the courts. Why isn't Abbott?

Slipper has a CRIMINAL investigation in progress. PLus, the civil suit is serious while the Abbott defamation suit is frivolous in the extreme. imagaine being sued by a union official with a criminal record for violence because you called him a thug!!!

so If I sue Gillard for breach of promise, shoudl she resign?

The newspaper article alludes to a lot of other things Abbott is supposed to have said which prompted the civil action by the respondent. Regardless of criminal investigations for Slipper- those investigations are yet to
come up as actual charges - so he is innocent there until proven guilty. On the civil matter, both Slipper and Abbot are defendants in a court action against them - once again they are both innocent until proven otherwise. The issue is though - Slipper stood down whilst the actions are in progress. Abbott did not..

As for suing Julia Gillard, I am sure the Liberals would be screaming for her to stand down to allow action to go ahead in the courts If you agree she should, then you must agree that Abbott should stand aside also!

if you seriously want to conclude that the allegations against Slipper - which include ciminal allegations along with a long history of fraud - stand up against a claim that a union official is a thug then you need your head read! AND the union official is from a buidling union. That is almost all the proof you need.

get serious. Serious allegations demand serious action. Frivolous ones shoudl be ignored. Adn guess what... almost everyone but you is ignoring it.

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Reply #12 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:42pm

You seemed to care here as well:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

Put it this way...if Slipper gets off and all the details of how the Libs set this whole thing up hits the media Abbott can kiss his grab for power goodbye and Pyne will forever be known as "Homo bait"

So Slippers, long, long, long history of this kind of thing makes you certain the latest occurence was a beat-up?

no wonder you support greens/labor. fantays appeals to you.

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Reply #13 - Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:43pm

Definitely sounds to me like you cared here:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Slippers dodgy deals were small change compared to this lot

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/13727229/taxpayers-funding-7m-tra...

the difference is that one is legal, whereas Slipper was not.

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