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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #105 - Jul 6^th, 2012 at 12:22pm Abu does it really seem that unlikely to you that Sunni's are responsible for bombing Shite mosques?
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Reply #106 - Jul 6^th, 2012 at 6:44pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 7:34am:

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 7:22am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 7:18am:

Do some Muslims interpret this incorrectly?

MOTR,

I'm sure some people of all persuasions interpret things incorrectly, and act accordingly. That's certainly not particular to this passage, nor to Islam, nor to religions, that's just a fact of human nature.

But I think most of the people interpreting it incorrectly, are those replacing the word "strong" with "ruthless", and I can assure you, no Muslim makes such an inaccurate replacement.

I'm still struggling with the juxtaposition between unbelievers and followers of Mohammed. What are the preceding lines?

This is the verse with it's preceding few verses. To provide some context, the Pagan Arabs in Makkah had deprived Muslims of visiting Makkah and making Hajj to the Ka'abah (the Sacred Mosque). The Muslims were weak and defeated at this time, and were expelled from Makkah. So the verses are encouraging them to stand strong against their oppressors.

48:27 Truly did Allah fulfil the vision for His Messenger: ye shall enter the Sacred Mosque, if Allah wills, with minds secure, heads shaved, hair cut short, and without fear. For He knew what ye knew not, and He granted, besides this, a speedy victory.

48:28 It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.

48:29 Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #107 - Jul 6^th, 2012 at 6:45pm freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 12:22pm: Abu does it really seem that unlikely to you that Sunni's are responsible for bombing Shite mosques? Likely or unlikely is not the basis for proclaiming someone committed an act. Please stick to the facts, not what you think to be likely or unlikely.
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Reply #108 - Jul 6^th, 2012 at 8:24pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 7:19am:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

There you go, context:

That is not context. By context I meant showing the events that preceded it.

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

2012.07.03 (Diwaniya, Iraq) - Sunnis set off a powerful bomb near a Shiite mosque, taking down at least forty Religion of Peace rivals.
"Initial investigations show that today's bombs bear the fingerprints of al Qaeda terrorist group," Salim Hussain, governor of Diwaniya, told Iraqiya state television.

Does he literally mean fingerprints? Of every single member of the group? Or does he mean "we want to blame them, so we'll just vaguely claim this looks like their work"?

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

Iraq's al Qaeda wing has claimed responsibility for some of the recent bombings against Shi'ites.

More of this ambiguous newsspeak. No actual claim or evidence about the specific incident, just references to past events, which themselves are to remain unscrutinised, as they are just as vaguely referenced.

Nice work soren, my mind feels at rest now.

The rest of your "references" are just as "sound" as this one.

Yay!!

There is NO jihad. There is NO Muslim religious violence. And if there is, it's ALL GOOD!!

YAY!!

Everyone - ululate!!

WHATEVER is done in the name of Islam MUST BE GOOD!!

Or I keeel you!!!

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Reply #109 - Jul 6^th, 2012 at 9:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Abu does it really seem that unlikely to you that Sunni's are responsible for bombing Shite mosques?

Likely or unlikely is not the basis for proclaiming someone committed an act.

Please stick to the facts, not what you think to be likely or unlikely.

They didn't accuse a specific person Abu. Are you suggesting that you don't have doubts about whether a Sunni bombed the Shite Mosque, but you expect detailed records of who committed each specific Islamic terrorist attack?

Would you get so hung up on the evidence if people started accusing the catholics and protestants of Northern Ireland of bombing each other?

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Reply #110 - Jul 6^th, 2012 at 9:27pm

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

They didn't accuse a specific person Abu.

Right... so instead of accusing/slandering one person, they've slandered over a billion, yeh that's much better.

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Are you suggesting that you don't have doubts about whether a Sunni bombed the Shite Mosque, but you expect detailed records of who committed each specific Islamic terrorist attack?

I haven't had any thoughts about it at all, let alone the particular beliefs of the one who did it.

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Would you get so hung up on the evidence if people started accusing the catholics and protestants of Northern Ireland of bombing each other?

I certainly wouldn't be positing it all over the place, proclaiming who did what based on such conjecture and hearsay.

I guess some of us have standards though.

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #111 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:04am Jews bomb Gaza kills 6 year-old, wounds baby Jews shoot farmer Woman dies at jewish blockade jews bomb 3 people to death Jews killed 67 Palestinians including 4 women and 16 children so far in 2012
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Reply #112 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 3:02pm

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Right... so instead of accusing/slandering one person, they've slandered over a billion, yeh that's much better.

There are a billion members of Al Quaida?

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I certainly wouldn't be positing it all over the place, proclaiming who did what based on such conjecture and hearsay

That is about all you and Falah do - that and trying to rewrite history.

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Reply #113 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 4:28pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:18pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:13pm:

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You look at the peasant faces of the Al Hilalis and Trads and all the other Muslims with the low brow and jutting jaw and fat lips, hair (animalistic hair and hair fetish everywhere)

You are threatened by their ability to actually grow a beard aren't you, Soren? Your horror at seeing men with body hair on the beach was indicative of your intimidation.

We have had this discussion before, you effeminate pansy.

Threatened? No. Repelled, yes. I find the swarthies mildly disgusting. Too greasy, hairy, flat-footed, too pungent. Too peasant. And that's just the women.
The blokes are also hairy and even more atavistic. They seem a few rungs down on the evolutionary ladder. A bit like werewolves, both in looks and outlook.

Your pudgy little pink fingers could barely contain the nervous tremor.

Does that avatar make you feel more masculine, oh Mighty Son of Odin?

I shave. Do you?

I wax. You should try it.

Get yourself a Brazilian.

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Reply #114 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 6:00pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:13pm:

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You look at the peasant faces of the Al Hilalis and Trads and all the other Muslims with the low brow and jutting jaw and fat lips, hair (animalistic hair and hair fetish everywhere)

You are threatened by their ability to actually grow a beard aren't you, Soren? Your horror at seeing men with body hair on the beach was indicative of your intimidation.

We have had this discussion before, you effeminate pansy.

I think that we can safely assume by the amount of fear in Sore One's posts that he looks more like this than his avatar:

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Reply #115 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 10:40pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:18pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:13pm:

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You look at the peasant faces of the Al Hilalis and Trads and all the other Muslims with the low brow and jutting jaw and fat lips, hair (animalistic hair and hair fetish everywhere)

You are threatened by their ability to actually grow a beard aren't you, Soren? Your horror at seeing men with body hair on the beach was indicative of your intimidation.

We have had this discussion before, you effeminate pansy.

Threatened? No. Repelled, yes. I find the swarthies mildly disgusting. Too greasy, hairy, flat-footed, too pungent. Too peasant. And that's just the women.
The blokes are also hairy and even more atavistic. They seem a few rungs down on the evolutionary ladder. A bit like werewolves, both in looks and outlook.

Your pudgy little pink fingers could barely contain the nervous tremor.

Does that avatar make you feel more masculine, oh Mighty Son of Odin?

I shave. Do you?

I wax. You should try it.

Get yourself a Brazilian.

Sorry, love, I am not hirsute enough to need to wax like you do.
It must hurt. Poor girl.

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Reply #116 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 10:47pm

falah wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 6:00pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 12:13pm:

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You look at the peasant faces of the Al Hilalis and Trads and all the other Muslims with the low brow and jutting jaw and fat lips, hair (animalistic hair and hair fetish everywhere)

You are threatened by their ability to actually grow a beard aren't you, Soren? Your horror at seeing men with body hair on the beach was indicative of your intimidation.

We have had this discussion before, you effeminate pansy.

I think that we can safely assume by the amount of fear in Sore One's posts that he looks more like this than his avatar:

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/286/870/cf7.jpg

Well, I am not a Muslim, so I'll always be ahead of you ( and Missy Mediterreanean Hair), no matter what.

Nothing can be as embarrassing as being a grown man (or woman like Miss Waxengrin) and be a devoted Muslim. That's like saying. 'Hey. look, I'm completely, way off the planet - and grow devotional hair!!! YAY!!"

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #117 - Jul 8^th, 2012 at 1:19am Interesting article on the spread of a cult called islam. http://econwarfare.org/viewarticle.cfm?id=3773 Well worth a read!
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Reply #118 - Jul 8^th, 2012 at 9:18am

Are you on crack or something?

This says far more about Western governments like the U.S who supported this brutal dictator throughout his entire rule (as he was a staunch anti-Communist).

You honestly have no political awareness at all do you? You merely see "muslims" and "scam" in the same article, and you post away thinking you're onto something. Don't you feel even a little embarrassed about being such a stooge?

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Reply #119 - Jul 8^th, 2012 at 9:54am

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 8^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

Are you on crack or something?

This says far more about Western governments like the U.S who supported this brutal dictator throughout his entire rule (as he was a staunch anti-Communist).

You honestly have no political awareness at all do you? You merely see "muslims" and "scam" in the same article, and you post away thinking you're onto something. Don't you feel even a little embarrassed about being such a stooge?

Abu, you and falah have been the representative Muslims on this forum and have your own section, this one, called "Islam'.

And the overwhelming majority of your posts and your entire 'Muslim outlook' is political. Insofar as you have any religious over- or undertones, it is entirely about the geo-political aims of Islamism - furthering and defending the spread of Islamism.

You both confirm with all your utterances that at its heart Islam is about politics, a particularly ugly, oppressive, unfree, kind of politics. This goes for local an global issues. The Islamic voice means the voice of subjugation and paranoid fanaticism.

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