abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:



Yeah.

It took them 200 of years to win those hearts and minds, coz the ingrates kept revolting:

During the 7th century AD, Arab armies made their way into the region of Afghanistan with the new religion of Islam. At this point in time Afghanistan had a multi religious population consisting of Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Hindus, as well as others. The Arabs were unable to succeed in converting the population because of constant revolts from the mountain tribes in the Afghan area. In 870 AD, Yaqub bin Laith as-Saffar, a local ruler from the Saffarid dynasty of Zaranj, conquered most of present-day Afghanistan in the name of Islam.

Soren wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:


And you're envious aren't you? In fact this is what all your anti-Islamic drivel stems from I think. You are envious of the fact Islam barely has to try and people are flocking to it, whilst your own ideology/belief system forces itself upon people everywhere, and they bitterly reject it.

Even in its most declined state, Islam still trumps your pathetic democratic secularism at its apex of power. And that rains on your little party doesn't it?

You remind me of the Mongols, you remember those people who conquered almost the entire Islamic world, only to be defeated within a generation or two by their own people from within, adopting Islam. That is your fate Genghis.

We should suppress the religions. Stop all extremists from practising in our society. That is xtian as well as muslim. Can you imagine if westboro baptist church and the like gets too big? The way to stop the extremists imo is education. As long as everyone is forced to get a decent education (without religion) grounded in how to think instead of what to think then the extremists should die out.

Muslim kids in australia have to go to school. Do we teach them science and math? Wow. I wonder if thats why they arent such a problem here? They know better. Unlike in countries where they have no education just religion.

the countries with majority muslims that have decent education dont seem to have the violence actually. Go figger.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:



The pilot of the first plane to hit the World Trade Center, Atta, came from "an ambitious, not overtly religious middle-class household in Egypt" and had led "a sheltered life" until he arrived in Hamburg, Germany, in 1992 to do graduate study in architecture.

The pilot of the second plane, Marwan al-Shehhi, was an amiable, "laid-back" fellow from the United Arab Emirates who had joined the UAE army, "not the world's most effective fighting force but one of its most generous, paying [its scholarship] students monthly stipends of about $2,000," which may have been his primary reason for enlisting; this enabled him to go to Hamburg, though there is little evidence that he "had any serious scholarly ambitions."

Hani Hanjour, the Saudi pilot who flew American Airlines flight 77 into the Pentagon, "had lived in the United States off and on throughout the 1990s, mostly in Arizona, intermittently taking flying lessons at several different flying schools." He was, in the view of one of his flight instructors, "intelligent, friendly, and 'very courteous, very formal,' a nice enough fellow but a terrible pilot." He finally got a commercial license from the FAA but was unable to find work here or in the Middle East.

As for Ziad Jarrah, the pilot of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, he was "the handsome middle child and only son of an industrious, middle-class family in Beirut," a "secular Muslim" family that "was easygoing -- the men drank whiskey and the women wore short skirts about town and bikinis at the beach." At university in Germany he met Aysel Sengün, "the daughter of conservative, working-class Turkish immigrants"; eventually they got married, but he disappeared for long periods, usually without explanation, leaving her frantic.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR2005042801315....

Education, eh? Why don't you go and get one, mother?

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Not quite. We have had a few home grown terrorists, and a decent education did not stop Abu and Falah wanting to stone people to death. In the UK where Islamic violence is a bigger problem, there are people who fled violence in the middle east. These are people who personally reject violence, but they raised their kids as Muslims and those kids, despite the decent education, now want to import the violence from the homeland.

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Are you trying to say that it is hard to get a decent education when there is a war going on? Perhaps you need to do some more figgering. You should start with the difference between correlation and causation.

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You did mention violence. Are you suggesting there are no muggings or extremist Muslims in Muslim countries that have a decent education?

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Can you explain how these countries "don't seem to have violence"? Does Bali count as violence? Or is it more a matter of you pretending the problem disappears, hence your claim that they merely "seem" to have less violence.

Yadda wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 10:31pm:


What a load of nonsense. There's nowhere near enough Islamic schools in Australia for this to be even remotely factual. You're a delusional twit.