Karnal wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:



The unbridgable gap between Islam and Christianity (and Judaism) is that for Islam, the word in the Koran and Mohammed's interpretations of it (hadiths) are the entire subject matter of Islamic faith. With Christianity and especially Judaism, an interpretive (exegetic) tradition is equally important.

Islam is like Pallas Athene who sprung fully armed and armoured and perfect from Zeus's head. Seventh century Araby under Mohammed is that worldly perfection to which all Islam has been hankering ever since.

Judaism and Christianity on the other hand unfold through what some call the history of grace. As a matter of fact, and as illustration, take the idea of evolution. It could not have come from an Islamic mind.

Islam is absolutely ahistoric in it own self-reckoning. Christianity and Judaism aren't like that. This is indeed Islam's crucial criticism of them, that they are not as anachronistic as Islam, that they change with time, unlike Islam.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:


What a load of absolute bollocks. Judaism and Christianity suddenly "evolved" into this state of subjugation to the forces of secularism, about 200 years ago when the atheists tore them a new one and put them in their place. That's the only reason Christianity ever accepted such things, not out of some airy fairy enlightenment mumbo jumbo supposedly "woven into the tapestry of their beliefs", that you conjure up in your mind, to provide you with what you seriously lack, a decent argument against Islam.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:


Really? So I guess in your little delusional alternate reality, Ibn Khaldun was never born right?



Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:


Yes, being unprincipled, ie. having no actual values or morals that you will stick to and defend is indeed worthy of criticism.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:52pm:


Is that honestly what you perceived my post to say? Or are you just trying to avoid admitting your post is Absolute bollocks?

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 7:38am:



you claim evolution for Islam. Do you believe in evolution, then?

Or are you claiming evolution for Islam even as you don't believe it because it is a false doctrine?

Or do you accept the Islamic version of evolution but not the Darwinian version?

You can't be all three. Which one then?

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:


You are correct Abu, the Bible DOES counsel God's people to separate themselves from the ways of the world, and the ways of the unbelievers [aka, infidels, heathens, gentiles].

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

And of course.....

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.






Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:




Hey Abu,

Where are the unambiguous and complementary Koran verses, to the unambiguous command contained within, Romans 12:18, and Hebrews 12:14 ???

There are none.

And you know it.




The principle command and doctrine of the Koran is to try to [first] persuade, but otherwise fight every un-ISLAMIC authority and people, so as to then, FORCEFULLY impose ISLAM and moslem authority upon them.



"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


And in the Hadith.....

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i




Abu,

Instead of hiding behind a cloak of deceit, pretending that ISLAM is virtuous, AND HONEST,   .....why won't you moslems just admit that your 'cause' is one which uses falsehood, deceit, threats, intimidation, and brutal violence ?

And to attain what, Abu ?

ISLAM is seeking to gain a worldly, secular, political ascendancy over mankind.



There is nothing spiritual about ISLAM.

ISLAM's purpose, its raison d’être, is to kill [and enslave] as many human beings, as it possibly can.

And enslave mankind, to whom ???



Matthew 4:9
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.








Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

What we can look forward to - the Scandinavian Model




Mona Sahlin, a later leader of the Social Democrats, said in an interview [in] 2002 with the magazine Euroturk, when asked what Swedish culture is:

I’ve often had that question, but I can’t think of what Swedish culture is. I think that is what makes us Swedes so envious of immigrants. You have a culture, an identity, something that ties you together. What do we have? We have Midsummer’s Eve and such corny things.

She also said: The Swedes must integrate into the new Sweden. The old Sweden is not coming back.

In this New Sweden we have more reported rapes than any other country in the European Union, according to a study by professor Liz Kelly from England. More than 5 000 rapes or attempted rapes were reported in 2008 (last year it was more than 6 000). In 2010 another study reported that just one country in the world has more rapes than Sweden, and that is Lesotho in South Africa. For every 100,000 inhabitants Lesotho has 92 reported rapes, Sweden has 53, The United States 29, Norway 20 and Denmark 7.

In 1990 the authorities counted 3 exclusion areas in Sweden, suburbs where mostly immigrants live, where very few have a job to go to, almost all of them live by welfare and the children don’t pass their exams. In 2002 they counted 128 exclusion areas. In 2006 we had 156 and then they stopped counting. In some cities, like Malmö where I live, a third of all inhabitants live in an exclusion area.

What did Tage Erlander mean when he said that the Swedish population was homogeneous, not just according to race but also in many other aspects? I think he meant things like norms, values, culture and traditions. A feeling of fellowship. That we all, in the Old Sweden, had a similar view of what a good society is and how we solve conflicts. He KNEW what the Swedish culture was all about, in contrast to Mona Sahlin.

In the New Sweden we need armed police officers at our hospitals because rivalling families fight each other in the hospital rooms. They gun each other down in open streets and they rob and beat old people up. The crime rate grows by the minute, but the Swedish politicians and journalists tell us that it has absolutely nothing to do with immigration. The fact that our prisons are full of foreign people is just a coincidence or is explained by socio-economic factors.

Yadda wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:53am:



CORRECTION;

There is nothing spiritual virtuous about ISLAM.

ISLAM is the spiritual 'dark place'.




Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 8:21am:


*shrug* your poor literacy skills are hardly my problem.