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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #180 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:01am Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 8:57am: you claim evolution for Islam. I claim no such thing. You claimed a Muslim could never have come up with such an idea. I contradicted this. Just admit you're wrong, and stop trying to railroad this with your usual nonsense.
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Reply #181 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:05am

Yadda wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

"Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14)

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You are correct Abu, the Bible DOES counsel God's people to separate themselves from the ways of the world, and the ways of the unbelievers [aka, infidels, heathens, gentiles].

But it specifically speaks about the unbelievers, the infidels themselves. It doesn't just say their ways. Why are you trying to be deceptive and twist what it says to suit yourself and your own hate filled bigoted approach to religion?

Why do you not just admit the simple fact that most religions speaks of the same kind of separation, Islam is certainly not alone in this.

Why can you not abandon your falsehood and speak truth for once?

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Reply #182 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:35am

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:05am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

"Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14)

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You are correct Abu, the Bible DOES counsel God's people to separate themselves from the ways of the world, and the ways of the unbelievers [aka, infidels, heathens, gentiles].

But it specifically speaks about the unbelievers, the infidels themselves. It doesn't just say their ways. Why are you trying to be deceptive and twist what it says to suit yourself and your own hate filled bigoted approach to religion?

Why do you not just admit the simple fact that most religions speaks of the same kind of separation, Islam is certainly not alone in this.

Why can you not abandon your falsehood and speak truth for once?

Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

And the term "all men" in, Romans 12:18, and Hebrews 12:14, can mean only believers, Abu ?

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

Hey Abu,

Righteousness, as defined by God, has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a 'believer', or an 'unbeliever', a 'Christian', or a 'Jew', or in being a moslem.

I know that you believe, that moslems are justified before your god, Allah, >> because << they are moslems.

I know that i can't change your mind Abu.

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Why can't you obey these Abu ???

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Because you are a moslem.
And you obey another law, NOT OF MY GOD.

Why do you disrespect these Abu, ......especially 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 ???........

Too Jewish, for moslems ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #183 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:29am

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:35am:

Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

And the term "all men" in, Romans 12:18, and Hebrews 12:14, can mean only believers, Abu ?

But I didn't mention those passages Yadda, I'm asking you about Corinthians.

Or do you now all of a sudden magically make the realisation that one religious text might clarify another?

Pity you're so narrow minded and blinkered that you can't realise the same goes for the Islamic texts.

Too bad you can only bring yourself to quote the first half of passages like this:

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors..

Whilst you completely ignore that the second part might clarify, just as you claim Hebrews & Romans clarifies the passage in Corinthians.

I think you know full well in your own heart your estimation of Islam here is not just. You know full well it is dishonest and one sided. Is this one sided, deceptive, hate filled manner of yours something Christianity teaches? Or is it something you have built up inside yourself due to your own wickedness?

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Reply #184 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:33am

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:35am:

Why can't you obey these Abu ???

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Because you are a moslem.
And you obey another law, NOT OF MY GOD.

Why do you disrespect these Abu, ......especially 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 ???........

Too Jewish, for moslems ???

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gvXwPghPsU4/TiV9dY_RIKI/AAAAAAAAC-k/yA0crbVWgvA/s320/1...

I do keep those last ones. You can't even keep the first one, polytheist, and it's your book.

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Reply #185 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:36pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

I think you know full well in your own heart your estimation of Islam here is not just.

You know full well it is dishonest and one sided. Is this one sided, deceptive, hate filled manner of yours something Christianity teaches? Or is it something you have built up inside yourself due to your own wickedness?

Abu,

I say that your own 'holy' texts record that ISLAM's prophet, Mohammed, procured the murder of his critics.

Am i a liar ?

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369

Is that what a prophet of God does ?

Abu,
In that Hadith verse Mohammed claims that a man had injured God Allah.

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I ask, how can a man, hurt God Allah ????iNumbers 12:3
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

John 11:35
Jesus wept.

What is the principle difference between the life of Mohammed, and the life of Jesus ?

Mohammed involved himself in the killing of many, many, persons, and also procured the murder of his critics.

Jesus healed the sick and raised the dead to life. John 11

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #186 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:03am

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Abu,

I say that your own 'holy' texts record that ISLAM's prophet, Mohammed, procured the murder of his critics.

Am i a liar ?

Execution of an enemy propaganda minister would be more accurate.

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Is that what a prophet of God does ?

Read your own Bible and see. Your Bible claims God's prophets even murder little kids.... Does it not?

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Abu,
In that Hadith verse Mohammed claims that a man had injured God Allah.

Q.
I ask, how can a man, hurt God Allah ????

He was a propagandist who attacked Islam and the Muslims. Therefore his actions were hurtful. But they do not detract one iota from God.

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Numbers 12:3
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

Yet he led armies that supposedly murdered little kids, right?

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

John 11:35
Jesus wept.

All men weep.

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

What is the principle difference between the life of Mohammed, and the life of Jesus ?

Mohammed involved himself in the killing of many, many, persons, and also procured the murder of his critics.

Jesus healed the sick and raised the dead to life. John 11

Muhammad (pbuh) ordered the execution of those who fought against Islam, as he was a head of state and it was his duty to do so, just as prophets from the Bible who were heads of state did too. Jesus (pbuh) was not a head of state, as some other prophets were not either. The clear difference is not whether they're Biblical or Qur'anic, it's whether they were heads of state.

If you had half a neuron in that thick head of yours, you would've figured this one out already, instead of practising your usual self-deception.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49042 At my desk.	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #187 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:09am Abu don't you think it is a reasonable interpretation that Jesus preached an end to the killing and Muhammed preached (and demonstrated) its return?
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Reply #188 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:12am

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:09am:

Abu don't you think it is a reasonable interpretation that Jesus preached an end to the killing and Muhammed preached (and demonstrated) its return?

No more than Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon (pbut) or any of the other head of state prophets in the Biblical tradition. In fact in comparison to them, Muhammad (pbuh) was THE most peaceful head of state ever to walk the earth.

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Reply #190 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 3:12pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:01am:

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 8:57am:

you claim evolution for Islam.

I claim no such thing. You claimed a Muslim could never have come up with such an idea. I contradicted this. Just admit you're wrong, and stop trying to railroad this with your usual nonsense.

The idea that Muslims have come up with an evolutionary idea is bollocks. They came up with the idea of of unity and harmony in the world, like everyone else. There is no spontaneous or 'built-in' evolution in Islam, where everything is absolutely under Allah's command. It's all insh'allah.

This is just one more 'Islam was there first' nonsense, this time about something Islam could not possibly do or think simultanously with its core tenets. Evolution is thinkable only if 'god' and the world are reasonable - not random as in Islam, under Allah the eastern potentate.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49042 At my desk.	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #191 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 6:36pm It's like how the first person to fly was actually a Muslim who jumped off a building with feathers glued to his arms. He invented modern art at the same time as advancing our knowledge of flight (that gluing feathers to your arms does not work).
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Reply #192 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:10pm

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Are you agreeing with me?

If you're merely pointing out that some prophets were heads of state, and part of their duties in that role involved leading armies and executing criminals and the like (Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Muhammad et al), whilst other prophets were not heads of state and therefore such things were not part of their duties (Noah, Abraham, Jesus et al)...

Then yes, I agree with you.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49042 At my desk.	Re: Is This What We Can Look Forward To? Reply #193 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:21pm You left out all the women Muhammed had to service. It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it!
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Reply #194 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:35pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Are you agreeing with me?

If you're merely pointing out that some prophets were heads of state, and part of their duties in that role involved leading armies and executing criminals and the like (Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Muhammad et al), whilst other prophets were not heads of state and therefore such things were not part of their duties (Noah, Abraham, Jesus et al)...

Then yes, I agree with you.

Lucky he had God on his side to tell him who to kill, hey Abu?

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