Skai TV gives first seat projections from their exit polls: Syriza 28% 124 seats, ND, 27.5% 73 seats, Pasok 13% 33 seats. I

Any one party would require 36-38% of the vote to form a workable majority. Ordinarily this would be 51% but a bonus 50 seats will given to the party in the lead, bringing the percentage down

Rumour going around the Syriza camp that Alexis Tsipras's wife has just given birth to their second child. A metaphor perhaps?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/greek-election-blog-2012/2012/jun/17/greek-elect...

So it looks like the Greeks are up for more austerity measures and more suicides. More bandaid measures whilst the problem persists and worsens.

I know how they feel, under Campbell Newman my taxes and water have both gone up. He calls it paying down the debt, I call it austerity.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 9:27am:


Sounds relatively simple doesn't it.
It's basic mathematics that even primary school children could understand.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 9:27am:


But will it save Greece and the Eurozone?

Only time will tell, but it's looking less likely by the day.

Sounds so simple doesn't it? So why, when the problem is that everybody is in debt but nobody knows what their bottom line is, should growth be an answer? And how is a corner shop going to shoulder the debt of a multinational superstore chain and pay it off?

These are not the austere times, these are the greed and corruption times.

The Greeks deferred, they solved nothing. They should've heeded the words of Frank Herbert.

The Bene Gesserit litany against fear.

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

Quote:


Sounds a bit like somebody who had never entereth into fear IMO.

Fear is there for a reason, you should respect it.
It is very worthwhile.

I fear the Greeks gaining respect and usurping money for their laziness and ill-informed cultural supremacy.

The Greeks are nothing but crybaby idiots and should be treated as such.

Yes, some Asian countries have worked harder to catch up. And catch up they have.

It's a bogus piece of thinking to think that we are all relying on Germany to bail out the historically weak European economies. They have always been weak anyway.

Thanks to Keating, we are far more aligned to emerging economies in Asia.
We don't need to give a rat's rosy ringhole about what happens in Europe, 'cause they will be relying on us.

Amadd wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 8:20am:


Well who's 'us' Amadd? If you look to Asia to provide the model 'us' is the RICH who get and maintain their wealth by exploiting.

Is working in sweat shops for bugger all, your recommendation to Greeks, Italians, Spanish and Irish workers or all workers everywhere?

The Greeks borrowed too much and must pay it back, we are told, by Germans. But Germans didn't like 'Austere' too much themselves when made to pay back the damage caused by rampaging in WW1. So they rampaged again in the forties and got more lenient conditions imposed on them, so in a sense they won WW2.

Germany says the Greeks borrowed too much... but they want to lend more. How does that work? Can you blame the Greeks? Australians are the most leveraged citizens on Earth, are things going to get 'austere' here? Apparently because wages and conditions are being erroded now and these are the 'good' times, when we have the best economy on the planet.

If the rich borrow too much they go bankrupt; but it never seems to effect their lifestyle. Or their business goes into liquidation, but they are not their business, that's a seperate entity. They start another one. Looks to be a good system. One the Greeks should try. Of course their German bankers want to control them and bleed them. Well silly investors have only themselves to blame.

F;ck 'growth' and all who sail on her. A game of MONOPOLYtm cannot last forever, even when the 'winners' refuse to accept they've won and keep the game going by 'letting off' and lending more. Sooner or later frustration builds and the board goes in the air. Capitalism is the concentration of money into bigger and bigger parcels, it's not an infinite process. Greeks are not to blame for the way the dice roll.

Edit: Hey Pansi, watched your video after posting, great minds think alike