The words of a craven G'Dubya, President of the USA, speaking 6 days after the 9/11 attacks.


Dictionary;
craven = = contemptibly lacking in courage; cowardly.




The craven G'Dubya, President of the USA, speaking to the moslem community in the USA, at the ISLAMIC Center of Washington, D.C., 6 days after the 9/11 attacks....

"....These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith.  And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

     The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself:  In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil.  For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.

     The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam.  That's not what Islam is all about.  Islam is peace.  These terrorists don't represent peace.  They represent evil and war.

     When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world.  Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace.  And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

....This is a great country.  It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth.  And it is my honor to be meeting with [ISLAMIC] leaders who feel just the same way I do.  They're outraged, they're sad.  They love America just as much as I do."

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.htm...




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Sure we do.
/sarc off



Mainstream moslems, in the USA, displaying the real face of the real ISLAM...


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Q.
Do mainstream moslems resident in the USA, respect the USA, its culture of liberty, and free expression, and free enquiry ???

No they do not.

Adamant wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 10:59pm:


my reply, here...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340112711/0#0

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:13am:



SOB,

Being a moslem, and knowing what the tenets and laws of ISLAM promote, who would choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Q.
Who do associate themselves with ISLAM ???

A.
Moslems.








NOT ALL MOSLEMS ARE 'BAD' PEOPLE ?


How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<.....

"I am a moslem!"

.....is unaware of what the principle tenets and laws of ISLAM are ?

How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<.....

"I am a moslem!"

.....is unaware of how mainstream ISLAM regards, and portrays non-moslems, i.e. as criminals [BECAUSE, they are not moslems, BECAUSE, they choose to reject ISLAM] ?


i.e.
Q.
If [individual] moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, murderous philosophy which ISLAM clearly is ?

Q.
If moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ?

Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ?

How credible is such a claim ?

How credible is it that a >> devout moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

e.g.
The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah is that;

THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE BETWEEN MOSLEMS AND UNBELIEVERS.

And that there can only ever be a never ending warfare against 'unbelievers', .........or, a hidden enmity, whenever the 'unbelievers' are are stronger than moslems.




If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???







IMO, ISLAM is an 'organisation', a philosophy, which promotes criminality [by our laws], in its own followers.

And imo, a moslem is a member of a criminal organisation called 'ISLAM'.



Just 3 examples from ISLAM's foundation text, the Koran, exhorting >> every moslem << to embrace 'religious' enmity and 'religious' warfare against all non-moslems....

#1,
"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44

#2,
"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76
N.B. The implication which is projected by ISLAM, upon all non-moslems, that.....
"....[all] those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: [...and are ipso facto] the friends of Satan:..."

#3,
"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
N.B. Allah himself, declares that fighting against the 'unbelievers' is a 'religious' obligation for every moslem.

There are dozens more examples of Allah and Mohammed exhorting moslems to enmity and warfare against non-moslems.

e.g.
And in the Hadith......


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i




IMO, ISLAM is very, very, similar to the philosophy we know as Nazism.

IMO, ISLAM is definitely a philosophy which promotes violent 'religious' fascism.


Google;



ISLAM is a political philosophy which promotes the use of deception, blatant lying, intimidation and extreme violence to further its own spread and influence.

ISLAM is fascism, pure and simple.


And people who appease ISLAM, and moslems, are supporters of fascism.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 8:28am:



SOB,

Yes, my holy book tells me to love my neighbor.

And to forgive my neighbor.

My holy book also tells me to love judgement, and truth.

And not, to join myself to a people who embrace lies and falsehood.



SOB,

If you want to stand with those who justify murder [AND CALL MURDER, 'HOLY'], then on your own head be it.


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.


Deuteronomy 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Moslems are infidels, moslems are unbelievers.i


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Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Proverbs 21:15
It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.

Proverbs 24:24
He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
25  But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.

Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.

Amos 5:14
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.

Hosea 12:6
Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment,....

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

1 Thessalonians 5:19
Quench not the Spirit.
20  Despise not prophesyings.
21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Yadda cant you see that muslims are your neighbour?

Cant you see that xtianity is just as bad as islam if you take the book literally?

They dont take their book literally anymore than you do yours except for the radicals.

Yes and xtian radicals take your book seriously and are just as bad.

Normal ppl of both religions are fine.

SOB

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I could call you a liar but I wont because i realise you care just brainwashed.

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SOME muslims not normal muslims. Is westboro baptist church "normal" xtians?

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Many ppl around the world are psychopaths. Especially religious ppl because they think they can only have a conscience dictated by a book.

However "mainstream" islam is peaceful and they are no more psychotic than "mainstream" xtians.

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how? Have you ever lived in a muslim country? I have an d they didnt bother me. They were peaceful.

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No they are the radical extremists of the religion.

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Thats rich coming from someone as bigoted as you

SOB

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No its the "radical extgremists are not mainstream" argument.

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From wherever the radical extremist xtians get theirs from. Cult leaders - literal reading of holy books - etc. .  .

Where do the westboro baptists get their extremism from? Hmmm? Are they mainstream xtian?

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Its not a part of mainstream islam. What would you think of ppl that take YOUR holy book lieterally?

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You are really insane arent you. Do you hear voices like northofnorth? How about addressing some of my questions instead of trying to insult me all the time?

SOB

Why do you have to be so rude? What xtian neighbourly love you are demonstrating. Makes me want to join mainstream xtianity so i can be as hateful as you.

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A couple of news articles from worntorn countries is not a demonstration of your theory. What about all the peaceful muslims of which there are millions?

When will you answer my question?

Where do the westboro baptists get their extremism from? Hmmm? Are they mainstream xtian?

SOB