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Reply #30 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

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...............If we poke them with a stick they are going to get riled (any religion) so perhaps the media and governments (and militaries) should stop poking them......

no, that ain't true. Christianity gets continually poked with a stick. Probably because the pokers know they won't get beheaded live on the net or assassinated by some extremist.

christians do not impose a political system over anyone.

The extremists try to. And nobody has poked the KKK in a while. when they are poked they are pretty nasty. How about lobbying for banning gay marriage, abortion, evolution in schools? That isnt trying to interfere in politics? the "tea party" in america and the pope everywhere are the biggest examples of political interference.

Freedivers point is that i should hate muslims and not the others. His other point is that muslims are ALL the same. He misquotes me and misrepresents me a lot. I have said over and over I do not like the extremists of any religion. But not all ppl in a religion are extremists. I do not consider yuo an extremist but avram is. I would have pointed that out in my previous post except i want him to answer my question.

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Reply #31 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 12:48pm

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And nobody has poked the KKK in a while.

That is because it got poked to death. It is certainly not because people decided not to challenge them in case they got killed. A lot of very brave Americans stood up to the KKK and brought it down. A lot of this was through open ridicule.

What makes you think it is a good idea to treat Islam differently and to self censor every time a Muslim gets angry?

If the KKK started killing black people again, would you run round defending them and trying to find examples of non-KKK people doing nasty things, all in the hope that if we self censor, the KKK would stop doing it? Or do you reserve that special treatment for Islam?

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Freedivers point is that i should hate muslims and not the others

No it isn't. I have never suggested you hate anyone. My point is that Islam should be treated like any other ideology that calls for the destruction of freedom and democracy, not given special protection because you are afraid of terrorists.

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His other point is that muslims are ALL the same.

Again spot, try sticking to what I actually said, rather than constantly making stuff up to give yourself an excuse to ignore reality and defend Islam.

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He misquotes me and misrepresents me a lot.

You mean you accuse me of this all the time, but it never actually happens.

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I have said over and over I do not like the extremists of any religion.

I said the exact same thing about you - that you make this claim about yourself all the time. The only difference is that I didn't leave out the fact that you always defend Muslims and criticise other religions. You even do this while openly admitting you have no idea what the Muslims you are defending said. It is an automatic reaction from you.

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Reply #33 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 6:16pm

Yes I have. You can start with a dictionary definition if you want.

I have however asked you plenty of times why we should be uncritical of Islam, but critical of doctrines like Nazism or the KKK. You have never answered. Do you think we should also be too scared to criticise Nazis and KKK members in case it makes them angry? Or is Islam just special? Do you need a definition of freedom to answer this question?

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Reply #34 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 6:51pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

Yes I have. You can start with a dictionary definition if you want.

I have however asked you plenty of times why we should be uncritical of Islam, but critical of doctrines like Nazism or the KKK. You have never answered. Do you think we should also be too scared to criticise Nazis and KKK members in case it makes them angry? Or is Islam just special? Do you need a definition of freedom to answer this question?

I have answered it many times but i havent seen your answer yet.

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Reply #36 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:16pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

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You still havent explained to me what you mean by "freedom and democracy" either - yank term anyway. You mean guns are good?

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The modern notion of democracy originates with the Enlightenment. The modern concept of (political) freedom goes back to the Magna Carta. Neither of these are 'yank terms', you thick SOB.

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Reply #37 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 4:26am:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 5:55am:

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muslims can't ever accept western culture

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lololololololololololololol

And here i was I thought you had no sense of humour.

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abu_rashid wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

I would never degrade the good name of Islam by associating it with these disastrous ideals of freedom and democracy.

And of course he speaks for ALL muslims right? silly woman. Dont you have some cooking or ironing to do?

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Well, who do you speak for? Just yourself? No-one has ever shared your ideas??
I am not surprised. Not surprised at all, mother.

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Reply #38 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:20pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

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You still havent explained to me what you mean by "freedom and democracy" either - yank term anyway. You mean guns are good?

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The modern notion of democracy originates with the Enlightenment. The modern concept of (political) freedom goes back to the Magna Carta. Neither of these are 'yank terms', you thick SOB.

The modern understanding of freedom and democracy is certainly American.

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Reply #39 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:28pm

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Well, who do you speak for? Just yourself? No-one has ever shared your ideas??

He seems to speak for Muslims quite a bit, even though he has no idea what they think.

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The modern understanding of freedom and democracy is certainly American.

Can you elaborate please? I have been known myself to say that America invented freedom and democracy. But I was only joking. Sometimes they carry on as if they did and it is good to remind them that they didn't.

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Reply #40 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:57pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:20pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

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You still havent explained to me what you mean by "freedom and democracy" either - yank term anyway. You mean guns are good?

SOB

The modern notion of democracy originates with the Enlightenment. The modern concept of (political) freedom goes back to the Magna Carta. Neither of these are 'yank terms', you thick SOB.

The modern understanding of freedom and democracy is certainly American.

Hey, Political Puppet, have you had enough of having someone's fist up yer arse all the time, like a puppet? Now it's 'Lobbyist'?
Who are you lobbying for? Who is your puppet master?

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Re: Jihadis 'not terrorists': scholar
Reply #43 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 6:23am

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 9:16pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

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You still havent explained to me what you mean by "freedom and democracy" either - yank term anyway. You mean guns are good?

SOB

The modern notion of democracy originates with the Enlightenment. The modern concept of (political) freedom goes back to the Magna Carta. Neither of these are 'yank terms', you thick SOB.

No the yank term is "freedom and democracy" when referring to our country. Its been a slogan since bush. Freediver chants a lot of yank slogans though. He must have paytv.

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Reply #44 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 6:31am

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

Yes I have. You can start with a dictionary definition if you want.

I have however asked you plenty of times why we should be uncritical of Islam, but critical of doctrines like Nazism or the KKK. You have never answered. Do you think we should also be too scared to criticise Nazis and KKK members in case it makes them angry? Or is Islam just special? Do you need a definition of freedom to answer this question?

Twisty twisty. So are you a retired lawyer? Prosecutor. Maybe but you dont seem smart enough though. . .. hmmm.

I wasnt saying you shouldn't criticise extremists. I am saying that the extremists are not the mainstream. I have said this over and over but you dont want o hear it because then you wouldn't be justified in being scared all the time about the scary muslims in your backyard.

I am also saying that what you call; terrorists have been provoked by the "wars" and the push for oil.

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