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Jihadis 'not terrorists': scholar


JIHAD is not the same as terrorism but the opposite - it is the war on terrorism, a visiting Islamic scholar told a large Muslim meeting in Melbourne last night.

''The Australian Federal Police are the jihadi element of the Australian government - they are trying to maintain law and order,'' Brother Imran told a largely Arab audience that overflowed the Sidney Myer Asia Centre at Melbourne University into two upper floors with large screens.

''People who try to keep law and order are jihadis, and people who try to break it are terrorists,'' Brother Imran said.

''Extremist elements are wrongly calling themselves jihadis, and that is confusing everyone.''

The seminar - ''Jihad and terrorism: are they the same''? - was organised by the Islamic Research and Educational Academy, with the support of some of Melbourne's more conservative Muslim groups, traditionally more wary of integrating, including Sheikh Mohammed Omran's Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah and the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australia.

Preston Mosque, the Islamic Council of Victoria and several other Islamic groups also supported the seminar.

Brother Imran, an Indian Muslim from Hyderabad, said some media helped created misconceptions among Muslims and about Muslims.

Most Muslims got news from hearsay rather than direct investigation, but the Koran clearly instructed people to verify news before they reacted, he said.

Brother Imran said Australian Muslims must follow Australian laws and obey Australian authorities, and that it was safer and more comfortable to be a Muslim in Australia than it was in most countries.

But he said Australian authorities should not treat Muslims as more suspicious than other groups because that created misconceptions inside and outside the community and made Muslims defensive.

Brother Imran said
there were 1565 terrorist attacks in Europe between 2007 and 2010, of which only six were carried out by Muslims.

More than 1400 were by Irish groups, he said.


Greg Barton, of Monash University's Global Terrorism Research Centre, told the meeting it was important to distinguish between individuals who used violence for political causes and the wider community on whose behalf they claimed to act.

Professor Barton told The Age he spoke as an academic and a Christian, because it was important for this audience - many of whom did not have much contact with the wider community and tended to believe the world prejudged Muslims - to see that Christians were sympathetic.

Organiser Wasim Razvi said he wanted to reach lay Muslims, not just leaders, and that all the groups involved had strong followings.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/jihadis-not-terrorists-scholar-20120624-20wjy....
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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:48pm
 
Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t


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Europol releases an annual study of terrorism; the results do not support claims that "(nearly) all Muslims are terrorists"

Islamophobes have been popularizing the claim that “not all Muslims are terrorists, but (nearly) all terrorists are Muslims.”  Despite this idea becoming axiomatic in some circles, it is quite simply not factual.  In my previous article entitled “All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t”, I used official FBI records to show that only 6% of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil from 1980 to 2005 were carried out by Islamic extremists.  The remaining 94% were from other groups (42% from Latinos, 24% from extreme left wing groups, 7% from extremist Jews, 5% from communists, and 16% from all other groups).

But what about across the pond?  The data gathered by Europol strengthens my argument even further. (hat tip: Koppe)  Europol publishes an annual report entitled EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report.  On their official website, you can access the reports from 2007, 2008, and 2009.  (If anyone can find the reports from earlier than that, please let me know so we can include those as well.)

The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims.  In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam.  Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.  Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims.

Here are the official tables provided in the reports…

For 2006:
...


For 2007:
...

For 2008:
...


(According to the report, there was 1 “Islamist attack” in the UK in 2008, which was omitted in the table above.  It has been included in the bar graph below.)

Just glancing at those tables is enough to know how absurd it is to claim that “all terrorists are Muslims.”  That statement is nowhere near the truth.  If we compile the data, it comes out to this:

...

On p.7, the 2009 Europol report concludes:

Quote:
Islamist terrorism is still perceived as being the biggest threat worldwide, despite the fact that the EU only faced one Islamist terrorist attack in 2008.  This bomb attack took place in the UK…Separatist terrorism remains the terrorism area which affects the EU most. This includes Basque separatist terrorism in Spain and France, and Corsican terrorism in France…Past contacts between ETA and the FARC illustrate the fact that also separatist terrorist organizations seek cooperation partners outside the EU on the basis of common interests.  In the UK, dissident Irish republican groups, principally the RIRA and the CIRA, and other paramilitary groups may continue to engage in crime and violence.


Perception is not reality.  Due to the right wing’s influence and propaganda, people mistakenly think that Islamic terrorism is the greatest threat to the Western world.  It is even a commonly held belief that Islamic terrorism poses an existential threat–that the very survival of the Western world is at stake.  Of course, the reality is that there are other groups that engage in terrorism on a much larger scale, yet these terrorist incidents are minimized.  Acts of terrorism committed by Muslims are purposefully sensationalized and focused upon, culminating in the idea that “(nearly) all terrorists are Muslims.”

Terrorism from Islamic extremists is certainly a cause for concern, but it need not be an issue that creates mass hysteria.  Nor should it be allowed to be such a critical issue that we are willing to sacrifice our ideals or civil rights for fear of it.  Neither should we be reduced to a status of absolute sissitude.  We have analyzed data from America and Europe (a good portion of the entire Western world), and the threat from Islamic terrorism is much more minimal than commonly assumed; in the U.S., it accounts for 6% of terrorist attacks, and in Europe not even half of a percent.

It is only through sensationalism and fear mongering that the topic of Islamic terrorism is allowed to be used to demonize a religious community that happens to be a minority in the West.  When confronted by such lunacy, we ought to respond with the facts and the truth.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/
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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:54pm
 
Isn't it intersting to note the disparity between "leftwing" and "rightwing" terrorists?

2006
leftwads - 55
righties - 1

2007
leftwads 21
righties 1

2008
leftwads 28
righties  0

But that won't stop em claiming they're all for peace love n harmony.
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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 3:52pm
 
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
Isn't it intersting to note the disparity between "leftwing" and "rightwing" terrorists?

2006
leftwads - 55
righties - 1

2007
leftwads 21
righties 1

2008
leftwads 28
righties  0

But that won't stop em claiming they're all for peace love n harmony.



I think the number of rightie terror attacks goes up of you include the deeds of George W & Netanyahu.
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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 3:54pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 3:52pm:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
Isn't it intersting to note the disparity between "leftwing" and "rightwing" terrorists?

2006
leftwads - 55
righties - 1

2007
leftwads 21
righties 1

2008
leftwads 28
righties  0

But that won't stop em claiming they're all for peace love n harmony.



I think the number of rightie terror attacks goes up of you include the deeds of George W & co.



...but would be met with a more-than-equal measure of left wing terrorism by the deeds of Obama and co.
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Reply #5 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 5:18pm
 
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
falah wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 3:52pm:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
Isn't it intersting to note the disparity between "leftwing" and "rightwing" terrorists?

2006
leftwads - 55
righties - 1

2007
leftwads 21
righties 1

2008
leftwads 28
righties  0

But that won't stop em claiming they're all for peace love n harmony.



I think the number of rightie terror attacks goes up of you include the deeds of George W & co.



...but would be met with a more-than-equal measure of left wing terrorism by the deeds of Obama and co.


If you consider Obama to be left of centre.
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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 5:37pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 5:18pm:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 3:54pm:
falah wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 3:52pm:
... wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
Isn't it intersting to note the disparity between "leftwing" and "rightwing" terrorists?

2006
leftwads - 55
righties - 1

2007
leftwads 21
righties 1

2008
leftwads 28
righties  0

But that won't stop em claiming they're all for peace love n harmony.



I think the number of rightie terror attacks goes up of you include the deeds of George W & co.



...but would be met with a more-than-equal measure of left wing terrorism by the deeds of Obama and co.


If you consider Obama to be left of centre.



There is much to suggest that GWB is left of centre if you wanted to get into it.
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Reply #7 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 8:30pm
 
Have you ever seen a Muslim report the Islamic terrorism rate by death toll percentage rather than by event percentage?
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Reply #8 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 8:51pm
 
falah wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 1:48pm:
Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t


http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/eu_img.jpg

Europol releases an annual study of terrorism; the results do not support claims that "(nearly) all Muslims are terrorists"

Islamophobes have been popularizing the claim that “not all Muslims are terrorists, but (nearly) all terrorists are Muslims.”  Despite this idea becoming axiomatic in some circles, it is quite simply not factual.  In my previous article entitled “All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t”, I used official FBI records to show that only 6% of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil from 1980 to 2005 were carried out by Islamic extremists.  The remaining 94% were from other groups (42% from Latinos, 24% from extreme left wing groups, 7% from extremist Jews, 5% from communists, and 16% from all other groups).

But what about across the pond?  The data gathered by Europol strengthens my argument even further. (hat tip: Koppe)  Europol publishes an annual report entitled EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report.  On their official website, you can access the reports from 2007, 2008, and 2009.  (If anyone can find the reports from earlier than that, please let me know so we can include those as well.)

The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims.  In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam.  Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.  Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims.

Here are the official tables provided in the reports…

For 2006:
http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/20063b.jpg


For 2007:
http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2007b.jpg

For 2008:
http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/20081b.jpg


(According to the report, there was 1 “Islamist attack” in the UK in 2008, which was omitted in the table above.  It has been included in the bar graph below.)

Just glancing at those tables is enough to know how absurd it is to claim that “all terrorists are Muslims.”  That statement is nowhere near the truth.  If we compile the data, it comes out to this:

http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/barchart-copy-502x502-custom...

On p.7, the 2009 Europol report concludes:

Quote:
Islamist terrorism is still perceived as being the biggest threat worldwide, despite the fact that the EU only faced one Islamist terrorist attack in 2008.  This bomb attack took place in the UK…Separatist terrorism remains the terrorism area which affects the EU most. This includes Basque separatist terrorism in Spain and France, and Corsican terrorism in France…Past contacts between ETA and the FARC illustrate the fact that also separatist terrorist organizations seek cooperation partners outside the EU on the basis of common interests.  In the UK, dissident Irish republican groups, principally the RIRA and the CIRA, and other paramilitary groups may continue to engage in crime and violence.


Perception is not reality.  Due to the right wing’s influence and propaganda, people mistakenly think that Islamic terrorism is the greatest threat to the Western world.  It is even a commonly held belief that Islamic terrorism poses an existential threat–that the very survival of the Western world is at stake.  Of course, the reality is that there are other groups that engage in terrorism on a much larger scale, yet these terrorist incidents are minimized.  Acts of terrorism committed by Muslims are purposefully sensationalized and focused upon, culminating in the idea that “(nearly) all terrorists are Muslims.”

Terrorism from Islamic extremists is certainly a cause for concern, but it need not be an issue that creates mass hysteria.  Nor should it be allowed to be such a critical issue that we are willing to sacrifice our ideals or civil rights for fear of it.  Neither should we be reduced to a status of absolute sissitude.  We have analyzed data from America and Europe (a good portion of the entire Western world), and the threat from Islamic terrorism is much more minimal than commonly assumed; in the U.S., it accounts for 6% of terrorist attacks, and in Europe not even half of a percent.

It is only through sensationalism and fear mongering that the topic of Islamic terrorism is allowed to be used to demonize a religious community that happens to be a minority in the West.  When confronted by such lunacy, we ought to respond with the facts and the truth.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/


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Reply #9 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 11:28am
 
Interesting figures you left out Falah regarding arrest rates.

# Muslim terrorists            # number of others            Percentage Muslim
2007      257                        449                        57%
2008      201                        843                        23.8%
2009      187                        822                        22.7%

Looking at the above you would think that the war against muslim terrorism is being won. Think again.

Conviction Rates

#muslims found guilty            other terrorists            Percentage muslim
2008            198                        251                  44%
2009            190                        194                  49%

I think other Stats should be used as well, like number of muslims in the EU is just 3.2% of the population. In the UK muslims account for 12.5% of prison inmates.

Did you like these facts and figures Falah.

PS Loonwatch has made threats against people’s lives in the past so it may be classed as terrorist itself.
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Reply #11 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 9:21am
 
What you call a muslim scholar I call a c'n idiot.
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Soren wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
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Australian values? Islam will save Australians from these values.


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i think it's terrible that you equate your country with these pictures. why not leave if you are so full of antipathy for australia?



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Reply #14 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 11:13pm
 
Adamant wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 11:28am:
Interesting figures you left out Falah regarding arrest rates.

# Muslim terrorists            # number of others            Percentage Muslim
2007      257                        449                        57%
2008      201                        843                        23.8%
2009      187                        822                        22.7%

Looking at the above you would think that the war against muslim terrorism is being won. Think again.

Conviction Rates

#muslims found guilty            other terrorists            Percentage muslim
2008            198                        251                  44%
2009            190                        194                  49%

I think other Stats should be used as well, like number of muslims in the EU is just 3.2% of the population. In the UK muslims account for 12.5% of prison inmates.

Did you like these facts and figures Falah.

PS Loonwatch has made threats against people’s lives in the past so it may be classed as terrorist itself.


So you have no problem with these figures Falah or my statement about Loonwatch.
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