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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: ALP: no to offshore processing in UNHCR countries! Reply #45 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:26pm Everyone knows there is communists and criminal thugs in that Parliament like Gillard and Bandt...
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Reply #47 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:49pm

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Question to Labor supporters for my own awareness - is there something that I am missing that would make Malaysia a more viable option despite it not being a signatory?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here - I'm genuinely interested.

whilst they aren't a signatory the government has been able to negotiate certain human rights guarantees as part of the package .... no one will get whipped or whatever other crap the libs are claiming

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Reply #48 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

The Government still not compromise on its intractable insistence on Malaysia - they are hopeless.

The opposition still not compromise on its intractable insistence on Nauru - they are hopeless

so sending them to a vicous place like malaysia - but only a handful after which we have the same old problem STILL... thats ok right??? makes perfect sence after all Abbott's solution is pretty much exactly the one that WORKED previously.

so on the basis of politics alone, you support a solution that we already kn ow wont work (only 800 can be sent) and will be a human right violation (whipping of refugees) in preference to one we already know works???

well it certainly exaplsin why you love gillard and hate Howard. you are a moron.

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Reply #49 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:23pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

No one answered ... why if Abbott is insistent that he won't support Malaysia because it's not a signatory of the UN refugee convention, does he say if he wins government he will turn the boats back to Indonesia? Indonesia is NOT a SIGNATORY either ... at least the ALP has negotiated certain human rights conditions with Malaysia, the libs want to send them back with no guarantee's that they'll be treated humanely

there is a difference in RETURNING people to their original loccation and RELOCATING refugees. You seem to thinkt he solution isfor all 50million refugees to come and live here. then who wil lbe the refugees? US.

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Reply #50 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:36pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Question to Labor supporters for my own awareness - is there something that I am missing that would make Malaysia a more viable option despite it not being a signatory?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here - I'm genuinely interested.

whilst they aren't a signatory the government has been able to negotiate certain human rights guarantees as part of the package .... no one will get whipped or whatever other crap the libs are claiming

Thanks for answering. However I have to also ask from your response, how does that make Malaysia a more viable option? It appears to be, at best, no different to what the Libs are proposing?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: ALP: no to offshore processing in UNHCR countries! Reply #51 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:36pm i thought we were taking in refugees? Why send them elsewhere? The parliament needs to table MY proposal. Set up quantus to bring there here by plane form indonesia (and everywhere else) when they claim asylum. voila! No more treacherous sea journeys. SOB
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Reply #52 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:39pm

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Question to Labor supporters for my own awareness - is there something that I am missing that would make Malaysia a more viable option despite it not being a signatory?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here - I'm genuinely interested.

whilst they aren't a signatory the government has been able to negotiate certain human rights guarantees as part of the package .... no one will get whipped or whatever other crap the libs are claiming

Thanks for answering. However I have to also ask from your response, how does that make Malaysia a more viable option? It appears to be, at best, no different to what the Libs are proposing?

and thats being generous. malaysia will only accept 800 after which we are right back at where we are now. so people smugglers will just writ-off the first 800 and keep selling more seats in leaky death traps.

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Reply #53 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:42pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

i thought we were taking in refugees? Why send them elsewhere?

The parliament needs to table MY proposal. Set up quantus to bring there here by plane form indonesia (and everywhere else) when they claim asylum. voila! No more treacherous sea journeys.

SOB

wow... so simple. and so so stupid. How many refugees do you think would come here is we offered the red carpet and free travel? there aer currently 50million refugees. so thats 50 million AT LEAST. you'd suddenly find another 100million suddely becoming refugees if they can leave their crap-hole countries FOR FREE and come here.

dumbest idea yet.

and its QANTAS!!!

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Reply #54 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:46pm

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Question to Labor supporters for my own awareness - is there something that I am missing that would make Malaysia a more viable option despite it not being a signatory?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here - I'm genuinely interested.

whilst they aren't a signatory the government has been able to negotiate certain human rights guarantees as part of the package .... no one will get whipped or whatever other crap the libs are claiming

Thanks for answering. However I have to also ask from your response, how does that make Malaysia a more viable option? It appears to be, at best, no different to what the Libs are proposing?

My understanding is that part of the deal is that once they are processed in Malaysia, they are not guaranteed to be sent to Australia. They could be resettled anywhere. This removes the incentive for the journey to Australia in the first place.

Whereas for Nauru, the majority were resettled in Australia. Although certainly NZ took some, most of those people ended up here anyway. This is why the bureaucrats in the Dept. Immigration themselves are advising that Nauru is not a deterrent. People smugglers can point to the evidence that anyone sailing to Australia will almost certainly end up in Australia.

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Reply #55 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 7:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Question to Labor supporters for my own awareness - is there something that I am missing that would make Malaysia a more viable option despite it not being a signatory?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here - I'm genuinely interested.

whilst they aren't a signatory the government has been able to negotiate certain human rights guarantees as part of the package .... no one will get whipped or whatever other crap the libs are claiming

Thanks for answering. However I have to also ask from your response, how does that make Malaysia a more viable option? It appears to be, at best, no different to what the Libs are proposing?

and thats being generous. malaysia will only accept 800 after which we are right back at where we are now. so people smugglers will just writ-off the first 800 and keep selling more seats in leaky death traps.

if you were an asylum seeker, and as you claim , you were country shopping, would you risk being a part of that 800 and ending up anywhere BUT Australia? the whole point is that it stops the boats

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Reply #56 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 7:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

No one answered ... why if Abbott is insistent that he won't support Malaysia because it's not a signatory of the UN refugee convention, does he say if he wins government he will turn the boats back to Indonesia? Indonesia is NOT a SIGNATORY either ... at least the ALP has negotiated certain human rights conditions with Malaysia, the libs want to send them back with no guarantee's that they'll be treated humanely

there is a difference in RETURNING people to their original loccation and RELOCATING refugees. You seem to thinkt he solution isfor all 50million refugees to come and live here. then who wil lbe the refugees? US.

there original location is their country of origin .... the place they are trying to escape persecution from .... do the libs propose we send them back?

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Reply #57 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 7:43pm

A current assylum seeker in detention is concerned about several family members who may have been on the boat that sunk.

This intrigues me, You'd not think that with the supposed costs of buying your passage on a boat that several members of a family are all making the trek, Must cost them 10s of thousands?

Why is it that their are always cases of family members on different boats??

Now remember thes eppl come from countries where the average wag eis $2USD a day how do they accumulate such a large amount of money??

They are not refugees they are leaving a country that they have probably been apart of a corrupt regime and have a massive stash of cash secreted away.

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Reply #58 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 7:53pm

woof woof wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

A current assylum seeker in detention is concerned about several family members who may have been on the boat that sunk.

This intrigues me, You'd not think that with the supposed costs of buying your passage on a boat that several members of a family are all making the trek, Must cost them 10s of thousands?

Why is it that their are always cases of family members on different boats??

Now remember thes eppl come from countries where the average wag eis $2USD a day how do they accumulate such a large amount of money??

They are not refugees they are leaving a country that they have probably been apart of a corrupt regime and have a massive stash of cash secreted away.

why do you assume refugees are poor? Isn't it true that in most cases of civil unrest, the rich are often the first targetted?

My cousin married a former refugee ... back in his homeland his family had the sole rights to import mercedes ... every merc in the country went through their hands ... when it was time to run, they grabbed what cash they had and ran ... left behind a great lifestyle and a small fortune .... whats does that do to your stereotype now?

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Reply #59 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 7:57pm

Gist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Question to Labor supporters for my own awareness - is there something that I am missing that would make Malaysia a more viable option despite it not being a signatory?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here - I'm genuinely interested.

whilst they aren't a signatory the government has been able to negotiate certain human rights guarantees as part of the package .... no one will get whipped or whatever other crap the libs are claiming

Thanks for answering. However I have to also ask from your response, how does that make Malaysia a more viable option? It appears to be, at best, no different to what the Libs are proposing?

My understanding is that part of the deal is that once they are processed in Malaysia, they are not guaranteed to be sent to Australia. They could be resettled anywhere. This removes the incentive for the journey to Australia in the first place.

Whereas for Nauru, the majority were resettled in Australia.

Although certainly NZ took some, most of those people ended up here anyway. This is why the bureaucrats in the Dept. Immigration themselves are advising that Nauru is not a deterrent. People smugglers can point to the evidence that anyone sailing to Australia will almost certainly end up in Australia.

Not much of a disincentive, given the fact that once the 800 is reached (which is within a couple of weeks or so at the current rate) we will be right back where we are now. All we will see is people smugglers sending more people on more boats more often to wipe out that 800 quota as fast as possible.

This is just wrong. You've been shown proof of this, Labor has admitted they were wrong when they claimed this. End of story.

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