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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #105 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #106 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:14pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

What would you do? I assume you're all for onshore processing. That is a large part of the reason why we are seeing hundreds of people die in their attempt to reach our country by boat. It's not a deterrent, it's an encouragement to risk their lives. We need to stop these people from risking their lives and to come via legal means instead. That you cannot understand this extremely simple fact shows just how brain-dead stupid you and the rest of the Left really are.

Well... to quote you (or maybe lolly) - I'm not the government. It isn't up to me to find a solution.

I can tell you that any good solution is unlikely come out of our current efforts. A good solution needs ongoing bipartisan support. That's what happened from Fraser through to Howard and were we "inundated" by boat arrivals? No.

But you can kiss bipartisanship goodbye whilst ever Abbott is leader of the opposition. He's been quite clear that he'll oppose anything the other side proposed - even if they propose his own policy! He seems to think it's OK to gain political points at the cost of human life. That man is lower than the slime living off slug sh!t, honestly.

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no

no,, no, no ...how many times does he have to say it ... no matter what the cost...no, no no

Well when it comes to labor policy always being poor, then you are bound to see alot of no's, unless you are a greens supporter of course.

you only say that because no one can say the same about the libs ... in order to have even a crap policy, one must FIRST have a policy ... note, i said policy, not a slogan or an idea, or a headline ...but a fully costed policy complete with all the bells and whistles that set out costs, timelines etc.....

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #107 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:18pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

What would you do? I assume you're all for onshore processing. That is a large part of the reason why we are seeing hundreds of people die in their attempt to reach our country by boat. It's not a deterrent, it's an encouragement to risk their lives. We need to stop these people from risking their lives and to come via legal means instead. That you cannot understand this extremely simple fact shows just how brain-dead stupid you and the rest of the Left really are.

Well... to quote you (or maybe lolly) - I'm not the government. It isn't up to me to find a solution.

I can tell you that any good solution is unlikely come out of our current efforts. A good solution needs ongoing bipartisan support. That's what happened from Fraser through to Howard and were we "inundated" by boat arrivals? No.

But you can kiss bipartisanship goodbye whilst ever Abbott is leader of the opposition. He's been quite clear that he'll oppose anything the other side proposed - even if they propose his own policy! He seems to think it's OK to gain political points at the cost of human life. That man is lower than the slime living off slug sh!t, honestly.

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no
libs = no

no,, no, no ...how many times does he have to say it ... no matter what the cost...no, no no

Well when it comes to labor policy always being poor, then you are bound to see alot of no's, unless you are a greens supporter of course.

you only say that because no one can say the same about the libs ... in order to have even a crap policy, one must FIRST have a policy ... note, i said policy, not a slogan or an idea, or a headline ...but a fully costed policy complete with all the bells and whistles that set out costs, timelines etc.....

Ooooh the poor governing party.

You know all parties have that disadvantage and all parties would still love to have that disadvantage and be in power.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #108 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:19pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

The malaysian solution is stupid and I've never supported it. But at least I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Nauru is beyond stupid. It's a universe of stupid all of its own because there is no logic behind it at all other than Tony The Twat's perception that it'll score him points on the board.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #109 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:21pm

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

The policy that Julia Gillard is hellbent on legislating is known as the Malaysian Solution. It is doomed to fail for a number of reasons, some of which include:

1. It is illegal. It was ruled illegal because Australia cannot simply fob off its duty of care to these people to a country that has a deplorable history on dealing with refugees. Australia is a signatory to the UN convention on refugees and would have been acting in contravention of that convention if we sent people to Malaysia.

2. It will not deter people smugglers or their human cargo. The deal would see us take in 4,000 people from Malaysia in return for us sending Malaysia 800 for processing. It will not deter anyone because the current rate of arrivals would see 800 people arrive within a couple of weeks. Then what? What happens after those 800 people are shipped off to Malaysia? We go back to onshore processing? This policy is a bad policy that will only encourage people smugglers to further overload their boats, to send the boats more frequently to overwhelm the 800 quota so that after that, the people will be processed onshore.

Point 1 is irrelevant because it is only illegal until the Parliament changes the law - which is in train as we speak. Then it will be NOT illegal. You persistently show you're too dumb to understand that simple point.

Don't care about Point 2 as it's also irrelevant. Neither Malaysia OR Nauru is the solution. But you cheergirls go ahead and cheer. We realise its all you know how to do.

I wonder if this f wit whined when the lying little rodent sent people to Nauru when it WAS NOT a signatory to the UN convention?

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #110 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:26pm

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

The malaysian solution is stupid and I've never supported it. But at least I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Nauru is beyond stupid. It's a universe of stupid all of its own because there is no logic behind it at all other than Tony The Twat's perception that it'll score him points on the board.

It worked and even when they have gotten the UNHCR signage, it still isnt good enough. You lot are just pure partisan hacks.

Malaysia solution is way more cruel than the previous liberal policy was without the UNHCR signage and now with the signage, malaysia solution is on a different planet.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #112 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:32pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Julia Gillard and Rob Oakeshott's bill is dead in the Senate, that's a given. So, what do you wanna bet that Gillard will single out the Coalition and Tony Abbott for her criticism while completely leaving out any mention of the Greens whatsoever - despite them also voting against this bill?

Is it? Has there been a vote? You may want to wait for the vote...

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #113 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:35pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

The malaysian solution is stupid and I've never supported it. But at least I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Nauru is beyond stupid. It's a universe of stupid all of its own because there is no logic behind it at all other than Tony The Twat's perception that it'll score him points on the board.

It worked and even when they have gotten the UNHCR signage, it still isnt good enough. You lot are just pure partisan hacks.

Malaysia solution is way more cruel than the previous liberal policy was without the UNHCR signage and now with the signage, malaysia solution is on a different planet.

Like I say, I don't support the Malaysia solution. But YOU guys are the ones who keep talking about deterrence. Malaysia will stand a chance at deterring people from getting on boats. Nauru won't.

So what is it you're after? Your choice:

Deterrence?

Or proper treatment of asylum seekers.

You can only choose one.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #114 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:39pm

Nauru didn't work. There were less boats because there were less refugees in that period. And once pressure was on again and everybody who ended up in Nauru ended up in Australia it would've made no difference at all. Swapping 800 queue jumpers for 4,000 genune asylum seekers is a good solution statistically, but people aren't statistics, they're people.

Neither is a good solution and the Greens solution of flying in everybody who wants to come isn't either. A good solution is possible. It requires some creative outside the box thinking.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #115 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:40pm

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

The malaysian solution is stupid and I've never supported it. But at least I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Nauru is beyond stupid. It's a universe of stupid all of its own because there is no logic behind it at all other than Tony The Twat's perception that it'll score him points on the board.

It worked and even when they have gotten the UNHCR signage, it still isnt good enough. You lot are just pure partisan hacks.

Malaysia solution is way more cruel than the previous liberal policy was without the UNHCR signage and now with the signage, malaysia solution is on a different planet.

Like I say, I don't support the Malaysia solution. But YOU guys are the ones who keep talking about deterrence. Malaysia will stand a chance at deterring people from getting on boats. Nauru won't.

So what is it you're after? Your choice:

Deterrence?

Or proper treatment of asylum seekers.

You can only choose one.

All of the above, hence the UNHCR signage

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #116 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:54pm

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

The malaysian solution is stupid and I've never supported it. But at least I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Nauru is beyond stupid. It's a universe of stupid all of its own because there is no logic behind it at all other than Tony The Twat's perception that it'll score him points on the board.

It worked and even when they have gotten the UNHCR signage, it still isnt good enough. You lot are just pure partisan hacks.

Malaysia solution is way more cruel than the previous liberal policy was without the UNHCR signage and now with the signage, malaysia solution is on a different planet.

Like I say, I don't support the Malaysia solution. But YOU guys are the ones who keep talking about deterrence. Malaysia will stand a chance at deterring people from getting on boats. Nauru won't.

So what is it you're after? Your choice:

Deterrence?

Or proper treatment of asylum seekers.

You can only choose one.

You think the Malaysia deal will be a deterrent, eh? Okay, lets examine that deal. Each year, in return for Malaysia accepting 800 illegal immigrants from us, we will take from Malaysia 4,000 people.

So, when people smugglers get wind of this deal they will realise that the first 800 people they send a flotilla of boats with people crammed in like sardines. Currently, we get on average around 1,000 people come by boat per month. Under the Malaysia deal, this number is sure to increase - probably double. That would mean we'd reach the 800 quota within weeks.

Then what? After those 800 people have been sent to Malaysia, what then? I guess we'll return to onshore processing of the others who come during the other 11 months of the year.

Malaysia simply won't work and will increase the cost to taxpayers. Currently, the government is spending (wasting) about $1.2bn per year. Wayne Swan has budgeted for a meagre 450 arrivals per month. We see that many people arrive in little more than a week or so.

No, the so-called "Malaysian Solution" is no solution. It is, in fact, an incentive for people smugglers to send more people more quickly on their leaky boats. That Gillard, Swan, Bowen and all the other Leftards in this country cannot comprehend this (yet people smugglers certainly do) just demonstrates how comprehensively brain-dead stupid you lot all are. Unbelievable!

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #117 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Julia Gillard and Rob Oakeshott's bill is dead in the Senate, that's a given. So, what do you wanna bet that Gillard will single out the Coalition and Tony Abbott for her criticism while completely leaving out any mention of the Greens whatsoever - despite them also voting against this bill?

The Greens have always had onshore processing as their policy, Labor know that, why would Labor expect the GREENS to change their policy when the coalition insist their policy is off shore processing? only a moron would argue that point, I see you living up to your expectations.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #118 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 1:07pm

skippy. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Julia Gillard and Rob Oakeshott's bill is dead in the Senate, that's a given. So, what do you wanna bet that Gillard will single out the Coalition and Tony Abbott for her criticism while completely leaving out any mention of the Greens whatsoever - despite them also voting against this bill?

The Greens have always had onshore processing as their policy, Labor know that, why would Labor expect the GREENS to change their policy when the coalition insist their policy is off shore processing? only a moron would argue that point, I see you living up to your expectations.

Labor is in government with the Greens. If Gillard wants a bill passed, talk to that lot.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #119 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 1:09pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Julia Gillard and Rob Oakeshott's bill is dead in the Senate, that's a given. So, what do you wanna bet that Gillard will single out the Coalition and Tony Abbott for her criticism while completely leaving out any mention of the Greens whatsoever - despite them also voting against this bill?

The Greens have always had onshore processing as their policy, Labor know that, why would Labor expect the GREENS to change their policy when the coalition insist their policy is off shore processing? only a moron would argue that point, I see you living up to your expectations.

Labor is in government with the Greens. If Gillard wants a bill passed, talk to that lot.

So you admit phony tony doesn't really want a solution he just wants to bitch, like you. Typical f wits.

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