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Re: 270 illegal boats in 2 and a half years
Reply #165 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 10:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

... wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

meanwhile, in that same 2 and a half years, close to half a million people have migrated here legally, with nary a peep from anyone.

Don't they put the same pressures on our infrastructure and society if they're legal?

Clearly not, because those legal arrivals are budgeted for and have or can easily find a job instead of sponging off taxpayers, as these illegal immigrants do when they arrive by boat.

Scott Morrison shadow minister for immigration, 7.30 on Monday night. Is that specific enough for you or should I dig out the transcript? I know how techno-challenged you righties are.

Leigh was aghast. Said something like "not even if they introduce your own policy?"

I think you've quoted the wrong post because contextually, your comment makes no sense with what I wrote...

Gads! Quite right. Sorry, dunno what happened there AP... I probably had a minor brain explosion or something.

I think the one I intended to reply to was this one:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 8:39am:

If Labor was serious about fixing the problem that would put the whole Libs Pacific Solution policy back on the table.

Yep, instead of an ultimatum that the Coalition support her illegal Malaysia deal. She knows Abbott would never support that no matter what (rightly so) and is trying to position herself as reasonable and to look like she wants to fix this problem. In reality, she's the one playing politics with people's lives.

So... when Lieberals vowed NOT to restore the Pacific Solution you have to ask - why won't they support their own policy? Hmm??

Where and when have the Coalition ever suggested they would not restore the Pacific Solution?

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Re: Chris Bowen is an idiot
Reply #167 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 3:12pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 2:39pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 2:29pm:

Bowen is currently talking in the House of Representatives saying that because the Coalition wants to send people only to countries that are signatories to the UNHCR, that this and future governments would send people to countries like Somalia, among others, which is a signatory. Does he really, for one second, think that a Coalition government would send a single person to one of those kinds of countries? The idiocy of what he just said is astounding!

Not that I'm watching or believe they would, it is a nuance thing.
Surely you can see this or are you really that black & white?
Here it is,
The coalition will not support sending refo's to Malaysia DESPITE the swap refo's having Australia & Malaysian guaranteed protection from caning, education for children & decent accommodation(not tents in camps) because they have not signed the UN charter.

Inferring that they are in danger because these countries(Malaysia) have not signed & they will be safe only in countries that have.
Well this is obviously wrong as you yourself have pointed out.

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No such protection from caning exists. Even the ALP admit that. There is also no education offered in these detention facilities and they are crammed in like sardines.

BY AP right at the start of the merged threads

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The transfer arrangement between Australia and Malaysia also provides that:
• Arrivals will be subject to pre-transfer assessments to ensure fitness and suitability for transfer, along with basic biometric testing;
• Transferees will be lawful in Malaysia and provided with exemption under the Malaysian Immigration Act and Passports Act;
• Transferees will be initially accommodated in a transit centre in Malaysia for up to 45 days, with support from the UNHCR and the International Organization for Migration;
• Following initial processing, transferees will move into the community, with work rights, access to education and health care; and
• Transferees will receive no preferential treatment in the processing of their claims or arrangements for resettlement over other asylum seekers in Malaysia.

The UNHCR has been closely consulted on the transfer arrangement, and both the UNHCR and the IOM will play a vital role in its implementation.

http://www.alp.org.au:6020/federal-government/news/australia-and-malaysia-sign-t...

It's not hard to look things up, & before you deflect with it's Labors site.
To post false information on the party website would be akin to misleading parliament.

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Re: ALP: no to offshore processing in UNHCR countries!
Reply #168 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 4:14pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

No one answered ... why if Abbott is insistent that he won't support Malaysia because it's not a signatory of the UN refugee convention, does he say if he wins government he will turn the boats back to Indonesia? Indonesia is NOT a SIGNATORY either ... at least the ALP has negotiated certain human rights conditions with Malaysia, the libs want to send them back with no guarantee's that they'll be treated humanely

Simple….

Don’t pay people smugglers to bring you to Australia.

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Re: ALP: no to offshore processing in UNHCR countries!
Reply #169 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

FriYAY wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

No one answered ... why if Abbott is insistent that he won't support Malaysia because it's not a signatory of the UN refugee convention, does he say if he wins government he will turn the boats back to Indonesia? Indonesia is NOT a SIGNATORY either ... at least the ALP has negotiated certain human rights conditions with Malaysia, the libs want to send them back with no guarantee's that they'll be treated humanely

Simple….

Don’t pay people smugglers to bring you to Australia.

Roll Eyes

Why stop there?
Go even simpler, just stay in a war zone, and wait for your family to be killed.
I am terrifically moved by the genuine concern for the welfare of refugees that the coalition, and it's supporters, have suddenly discovered.
Great humanitarians, one and all, with nary a thought of trading upon their misery for personal political gain.

I nominate Abbott for the Nobel Peace prize.
Maybe it should be Piece?

As in, what a piece of sh...?

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #171 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 5:45pm corporate_whitey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 4:57pm: Julia Gillard is about as welcome as a fart in an elevator... Good analogy whiner. Put in context, if this forum is the elevator, then you would be the f.rt.
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Re: Right wing refo rubbish
Reply #172 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 5:47pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:

Julia Gillard is about as welcome as a fart in an elevator...

Good analogy whiner.
Put in context, if this forum is the elevator, then you would be the f.rt.

Stop bogarting my material...its copyrighted and not released for communist fair use.

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Re: Right wing refo rubbish
Reply #173 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 5:54pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:

Julia Gillard is about as welcome as a fart in an elevator...

Good analogy whiner.
Put in context, if this forum is the elevator, then you would be the f.rt.

Stop bogarting my material...its copyrighted and not released for communist fair use.

Sorry, I never considered demented ravings might be claimed to be "material".

I have however found a photo of the shared accommodation used by you and your alter ego, prevailing.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #174 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:12pm

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

The malaysian solution is stupid and I've never supported it. But at least I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Nauru is beyond stupid. It's a universe of stupid all of its own because there is no logic behind it at all other than Tony The Twat's perception that it'll score him points on the board.

maybe he thinks it will work. and the reason? because it has worked in the past while labors pollicy has been an abject failure since day one with huge numbers of boats.

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #175 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

It was pure partisanship getting rid of the pacific solution by labor in the first place.

It is pure partisanship to not bring back the liberal policy that worked, but instead to bring in a far worse policy when it comes to human rights, in the Malaysia solution.

Labor = partisan
Labor = poor policies

Well there ya go. Perfect example of what I was talking about. You illustrate it nicely - never mind a solution just try to score points.

And then you pretend to care about asylum seekers. Yeah right.

And for what it's worth, scrapping Howard's detestable offshore processing policy was not only the right thing to do, it was the inevitable thing to do. You see, for those of us who can read charts, there was a marked increase in the numbers of boat arrivals in the last years of the Pacific Solution. Your so-called "deterrent" wasn't much of a deterrent any more by then. We can see it. The Immigration Department can see it. But Lieberal cheerleaders are of course another story altogether.

To replace it with the malaysian solution. lol good on ya.

The malaysian solution is stupid and I've never supported it. But at least I can understand the reasoning behind it.

Nauru is beyond stupid. It's a universe of stupid all of its own because there is no logic behind it at all other than Tony The Twat's perception that it'll score him points on the board.

maybe he thinks it will work. and the reason? because it has worked in the past while labors pollicy has been an abject failure since day one with huge numbers of boats.

Howard did nothing to stop the flood of refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan

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Re: Why the so-called Malaysian Solution will not work
Reply #176 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:16pm

Grey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

Nauru didn't work. There were less boats because there were less refugees in that period. And once pressure was on again and everybody who ended up in Nauru ended up in Australia it would've made no difference at all. Swapping 800 queue jumpers for 4,000 genune asylum seekers is a good solution statistically, but people aren't statistics, they're people.

Neither is a good solution and the Greens solution of flying in everybody who wants to come isn't either. A good solution is possible. It requires some creative outside the box thinking.

seriously, who do you expect to believe that drivel? so the day howard brought in his solution he was lucky that suddenly all the refugees dried up the same month? and miraculously the refugees suddenly became a problem again co0incidentally the monthe Rudd stopped it?

yeah, if you believe that then your opinion isnt really very worthwhile. The very fact that you are trying to desperately claim that teh paciific solutino didnt work discredits your entire positiion. NO ONE can argue that it didnt work because it plainly did.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #178 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:24pm why shoult the liberal party agree toa policy they disagree with? why shouldt Gillard actually come up witha policy with a proven track record? just another Gillard idiotic move that is doomed to fail and it is because of her refusal to negotiate that is the cause. she is a s=disgrace as a PM
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #179 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:24pm The reffo problem started when Howard, Bush and Blair bombed Iraq and Afghanistan and it didnt go away because he further abused the rights of those whos lives he helped destroy.
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