adelcrow wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:14pm:


you can aleays tell when you lose an argument - you move the topic to something else. you deflect. this is about BOATS. try and stay on topic or admict that the labor party's policeis are a failure, the greens are simply surrender and the lbs actually had a policy that worked. AND they support increased refugee numbers, only that they come thru OFFICIALLY, not by boatas.

I know it is hard for you to stay with the topic zine your side of politics is responsible for the deaths of 1000s simply thru arrogance, ignorance and blatant political grand-standing.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:


It did not quite work like that but we have all come to understand that you are not capable of understanding fact and concept only what Abbott tells you.

Whether you like it or not the refugee push factors and outright numbers fell dramatically at that very time that Howard put in his solution, and yes they exploded again at that very time so suck it up.

The problem was that the labor party did not formulate an alternative before they removed the status quo. this left a gap that could not be filled because the Greens have never supported it and Abbott is so power hungry he will sell human suffering to be PM.

Nauru will not work again as the bluff is gone. Over 80% got here anyway and there have been two decisions made by the courts that kill it. The most important part of Nauru was that it removed the asylum seekers access to the Australian Courts, other wise you might as well have them here. This has been removed and they will have access no matter where they are if we are the custodians. Secondly without change to the legislation Nauru is illegal so either Abbott changes the legislation or he is a hypocrite.

OH and don't bother with the UNHCR crap, it never mattered to Abbott and his goons when Nauru was formulated so don't pretent that you give a sh1t now. The Bali signatories will do and get the UNHCR to monitor the process. Hell thats all they do anyway.

Labour never got to try a policy. Nobody knows if it would work or not

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

This is all the nutalition - Governments doing, we know their policy does not work, they are a joke, a very tragic joke in terms of human cost, but they are a joke.  Julia Gillard and the Greens have the deaths of hundreds on their non existent consciences.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:


Not at all. There was some initial deterrent effect of the policy. However there were also fewer people escaping as can be seen worldwide where the numbers dropped to a minimum in 2006. This would have reduced the numbers coming to Australia.

It's interesting that 2004-6 saw a small gradual overall increase in numbers in Australia while they were still falling in the rest of the world (are you paying attention lolly!!?). 2005-7 saw ever increasing numbers despite the fact that the Pacific Solution was in full swing. Why? Because the deterrent effect had eroded.

The OECD chart shows this quite clearly but for the doubters it's even more clearly seen in this chart of BOAT arrivals across the Pacific Solution period:



Clearly 2005-2007 saw marked increases in the number of arrivals despite the Pacific Solution. And the OECD chart shows that numbers worldwide were increasing around that time. So with numbers increasing worldwide and a dysfunctional policy in Australia, it's no surprise that numbers were increasing even before Rudd dismantled the policy.

There's little doubt that dismantling the Pacific Solution without other measures in place did nothing to prevent new arrivals, especially in a climate of increased numbers worldwide.

There's also no doubt that a return to the Pacific Solution would do precisely ZERO.

Thanks to Howard, Bush and Blair Iraq is now infested with terrorists and ultra hard line religious nutbags and Afghanistan is about to be handed back to the Taliban and corrupt warlords who will reap revenge on anyone that cooperated with the invading forces.
And we wonder why there is a flood of reffos from these countries!

nairbe wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:


you actually believe the highlighted section??? you REALLY believe tat either side of the pacific solution there were huge numbers of boat arrivals that had nothing whatseover to do with howard? it is a LUDICROUS belief to think that it didnt work and anyhow, its easy to prove. implement it again and see what happens. If the boats keep coming you are right. if they stop then... well you will justclaim that suddenly there are no refugees wanting to come here.

Folks you are seeing the real danger of socialist left ideological communist conservatism at work here with Gillard and the Greens and how they are so conservative they would put ideology before human lives.  Never again allow Gillard or her Green friends to seduce you with words like liberal, compassion, humanitarian ect, they don't know the meaning of the words they are dangerous nihilistic lunatics....