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Reply #225 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:19pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

It is boats of course because the less boats, the less deaths of PEOPLE.

It is the boats that sink remember, not the people sinking first.

WRONG!

lol because you say so

So a person sinks before the boat does. come on you are laughable

Well, no, it's wrong because the numbers say so. Look at the attached chart. I've based it on that latest data found yesterday which goes to 2011. I even spent a little time prettying it up for you so you won't complain.

The blue and green lines show number of PEOPLE and number of BOATS arriving per year. People are plotted on the left axis, boats on the right.

BUT!

The interesting thing is the red line which shows the ratio of the two. It is showing how many people are on each boat arriving. It is pretty bloody clear that since 2005 this has been a pretty steady increase. MORE PEOPLE ARE SETTING OUT PER BOAT ALL THE TIME.

The less boats, the more people will get onto the smaller pool of boats. The safety of PEOPLE is unaffected at best. At worst, it is endangering them even more since the boats setting out will be even more overcrowded.

Now, if your heart bleeds for boats then great. You've done an excellent job as preventing some clapped out hulk from sinking at sea. It'll get to sink at anchor in harbour instead.

If your aim was to prevent people drowning then you have failed by focussing on boats.

Simple, eh? Grin

I am already using the data you provided. You just cant read the dam thing or are a complete dishonest moron.

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Reply #226 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:37pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

I am already using the data you provided. You just cant read the dam thing or are a complete dishonest moron.

Yes, I know you're using that data. So... was there an error in that chart? I'm fairly sure there isn't but then I am obviously having a bad day so you never know your luck.

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Reply #227 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:47pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

I am already using the data you provided. You just cant read the dam thing or are a complete dishonest moron.

Yes, I know you're using that data. So... was there an error in that chart? I'm fairly sure there isn't but then I am obviously having a bad day so you never know your luck.

What chart. I can see the raw data that you provided. There is no secret in the raw data that anything

inside the pacific solition was 1 - 7 boats and 1 - 161 people a year.

Outside the pacific solution was 50 - 134 boats and 200 - 6555 people

Try to twist it as much as you like (looking foolish) but the raw data YOU PROVIDED shows that the pacific solution was not just a success, but on compartive years, was a RAGING SUCCESS.

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Reply #228 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:55pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

What chart. I can see the raw data that you provided.

Click on the attachment. It's a pdf because I couldn't be bothered capturing it as an image. It shows that focussing on boats is wrong because more people are getting onto each and every boat. It's also clear that if the trend continues, pretty soon you'll have ONE boat turn up with a thousand people on it and you'll be claiming that's some kind of success because it was ONLY ONE BOAT.

Also your focussing on overall numbers over the entire 6 years doesn't in any way address the point that I keep making - at the end of the Pacific Solution numbers were increasing. Any deterrence value it had was gone.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #229 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:05pm Here, this chart! After all, if you couldn't find it then what hope have some of your fellow righties?
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Reply #230 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:15pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:05pm:

Here, this chart!

After all, if you couldn't find it then what hope have some of your fellow righties?

How the hell did you get that graph from the raw data you provided.

You have over 2000 on your graph for 2003. Where the hell did that come from

1000 and something for 2007 WTHell

Why are you making this stuff up. Just stop being foolish.

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Reply #231 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:23pm

Here is something your &^&%^$% eyes should be able to see, but tell the brain to get out of the way, it aint working. Look at where you see the words "Pacific solution ends". Look down your graph and see what happens with the little green and blue dotted lines. Yep, straight up.

Also, telling brain to get out of the way, the green and blue line are pretty much together all the way from 2001 - 2008. Now if the red line is suppose to represent the green and blue dotted lines togther, then ask yourself, how the hell did I (YOU) have such a divergence in my(YOUR) red line.

One more thing.

Go do some education PLEASE
http://www.cms.livjm.ac.uk/spss/drawing.htm

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ok I see, you are trying to represent 2 diffent numbers on the one graph. 1 on the left and 1 on the right. Nice move. You should be a AGW climate scientist.

Make sure you tell the kiddies which number the red line represents. It is very small number, not the very large number that a non-opacific solution number is.

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Reply #232 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:25pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

How the hell did you get that graph from the raw data you provided.

You have over 2000 on your graph for 2003. Where the hell did that come from

1000 and something for 2007 WTHell

Why are you making this stuff up. Just stop being foolish.

That has been explained already. It isn't over 2,000 - there are TWO axes. You should learn to read a chart. People are plotted on the left, boats and the ratio of people to boats on the right.

Here is the explanation again:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Well, no, it's wrong because the numbers say so. Look at the attached chart. I've based it on that latest data found yesterday which goes to 2011. I even spent a little time prettying it up for you so you won't complain.

The blue and green lines show number of PEOPLE and number of BOATS arriving per year. People are plotted on the left axis, boats on the right.

BUT!

The interesting thing is the red line which shows the ratio of the two. It is showing how many people are on each boat arriving. It is pretty bloody clear that since 2005 this has been a pretty steady increase. MORE PEOPLE ARE SETTING OUT PER BOAT ALL THE TIME.

The less boats, the more people will get onto the smaller pool of boats. The safety of PEOPLE is unaffected at best. At worst, it is endangering them even more since the boats setting out will be even more overcrowded.

Now, if your heart bleeds for boats then great. You've done an excellent job as preventing some clapped out hulk from sinking at sea. It'll get to sink at anchor in harbour instead.

If your aim was to prevent people drowning then you have failed by focussing on boats.

Simple, eh? Grin

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Reply #233 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:30pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

How the hell did you get that graph from the raw data you provided.

You have over 2000 on your graph for 2003. Where the hell did that come from

1000 and something for 2007 WTHell

Why are you making this stuff up. Just stop being foolish.

That has been explained already. It isn't over 2,000 - there are TWO axes. You should learn to read a chart. People are plotted on the left, boats and the ratio of people to boats on the right.

Here is the explanation again:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Well, no, it's wrong because the numbers say so. Look at the attached chart. I've based it on that latest data found yesterday which goes to 2011. I even spent a little time prettying it up for you so you won't complain.

The blue and green lines show number of PEOPLE and number of BOATS arriving per year. People are plotted on the left axis, boats on the right.

BUT!

The interesting thing is the red line which shows the ratio of the two. It is showing how many people are on each boat arriving. It is pretty bloody clear that since 2005 this has been a pretty steady increase. MORE PEOPLE ARE SETTING OUT PER BOAT ALL THE TIME.

The less boats, the more people will get onto the smaller pool of boats. The safety of PEOPLE is unaffected at best. At worst, it is endangering them even more since the boats setting out will be even more overcrowded.

Now, if your heart bleeds for boats then great. You've done an excellent job as preventing some clapped out hulk from sinking at sea. It'll get to sink at anchor in harbour instead.

If your aim was to prevent people drowning then you have failed by focussing on boats.

Simple, eh? Grin

So where does your divergence come from. I still cant see it with this AGW type quakery.

You failed on the red line big time.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #234 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:32pm For completeness, here's the raw data to save us both getting confued ... because your friggin' image you snapped SUCKS!
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Reply #235 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

For completeness, here's the raw data to save us both getting confued ... because your friggin' image you snapped SUCKS!

That is not complete because that is the data I used. You have failed on your red line, possibly on purpose because I cantr see you being this dumb.

You represent people on left, boats on right, then you have some fantasy of representing both left and right to WHAT. TO NOTHING.

You are converging left representation with right representation to some fantasy number that you say nothing of.

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Reply #236 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

So where does your divergence come from. I still cant see it with this AGW type quakery.

You failed on the red line big time.

As I said, the red line is a ratio - people per boat. It's been steadily increasing since 2005 which means that boats are steadily getting more and more people on them.

ONE boat sinking in 2005 would on average have meant 3 deaths. In 2011 ONE boat sinking would have meant on average 66 deaths.

EDIT: And obviously from recent experience, ONE boat sinking in 2012 can mean over 100 dead.

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Reply #237 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:37pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

So where does your divergence come from. I still cant see it with this AGW type quakery.

You failed on the red line big time.

As I said, the red line is a ratio - people per boat. It's been steadily increasing since 2005 which means that boats are steadily getting more and more people on them.

ONE boat sinking in 2005 would on average have meant 3 deaths. In 2011 ONE boat sinking would have meant on average 66 deaths.

So where is that number represented on the graph.

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Reply #238 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:39pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

So where does your divergence come from. I still cant see it with this AGW type quakery.

You failed on the red line big time.

As I said, the red line is a ratio - people per boat. It's been steadily increasing since 2005 which means that boats are steadily getting more and more people on them.

ONE boat sinking in 2005 would on average have meant 3 deaths. In 2011 ONE boat sinking would have meant on average 66 deaths.

So where is that number represented on the graph.

For the third time - it is plotted on the right axis.

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Reply #239 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:40pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

So where does your divergence come from. I still cant see it with this AGW type quakery.

You failed on the red line big time.

As I said, the red line is a ratio - people per boat. It's been steadily increasing since 2005 which means that boats are steadily getting more and more people on them.

ONE boat sinking in 2005 would on average have meant 3 deaths. In 2011 ONE boat sinking would have meant on average 66 deaths.

EDIT: And obviously from recent experience, ONE boat sinking in 2012 can mean over 100 dead.

Yes so imagine 100 boats and the extra chance of that 100 people on just 1 boat. You are fooling no-one. 7 boats, if all sank, 700 people. 100 boats 10000 people.

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