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Reply #255 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Average 29 persons per boat pacific solution. Average 46 persons per boat non-pacific solution. Math says non-pacific solution boats sinking = more deaths.

Maths also says that the Pacific Solution was failing from 2005 onwards. That's comparing PS years to PS years. Changes to legislation, elections, whatever - none of that comes into it.

Which was, after all, what I set out to show - the Pacific Solution was failing. If you want to claim it would work now given that it was failing then you had best show some evidence! Or continue just waving your arms around and making brazen assertions hoping you're right.

No, maths does not at all. Cant blame the tool, just the tool using it. You.

7 boats tops. 1 boat extra per year. Maths says the tool using the tool, has failed. You again.

Compare 7 boats tops with 60 boats and 134 non-pacicific solution. You fail at maths.

And as stated above, the non-pacific solution had a higher rate of persons per boat. You fail at math again.

There ya go! Obsessing with boats again after you've just been shown precisely how stupid that is just because it is the one small thin straw that you can clutch at which has any hope of supporting your claim.

You DO realise just how much that kind of thing undermines any cred you may have had?

Here is a little math for ya.

1 pacific solution boat sinks. 29 dead.

1 non-pacific solution boat sinks 46 dead.

Which is the bigger number.

Then tell us, if you have 7 boats in 1 year compared to 134 boats in 1 year, are the chances of a boat sinking higher within the 134 boats or within the 7 boats?

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Reply #256 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

No, maths does not at all. Cant blame the tool, just the tool using it. You.

7 boats tops. 1 boat extra per year. Maths says the tool using the tool, has failed. You again.

Compare 7 boats tops with 60 boats and 134 non-pacicific solution. You fail at maths.

And as stated above, the non-pacific solution had a higher rate of persons per boat. You fail at math again.

Here is a little math for ya.

1 pacific solution boat sinks. 29 dead.

1 non-pacific solution boat sinks 46 dead.

Which is the bigger number.

Then tell us, if you have 7 boats in 1 year compared to 134 boats in 1 year, are the chances of a boat sinking higher within the 134 boats or within the 7 boats?

LOLLY THE BOAT RESCUER!

We're so glad you SAVED ALL THEM BOATS from sinking lolly!!! Did you turn them back? We were about to be inundated with them! It's a friggin tsunami of illegal boats I tells ya!

And those boats stay on welfare for YEARS! smack me the mooring and slipping costs ALONE are a nightmare! We'd spend zillions on boat maintenance. I tell ya it's getting out of hand!!

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Reply #257 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:55pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

No, maths does not at all. Cant blame the tool, just the tool using it. You.

7 boats tops. 1 boat extra per year. Maths says the tool using the tool, has failed. You again.

Compare 7 boats tops with 60 boats and 134 non-pacicific solution. You fail at maths.

And as stated above, the non-pacific solution had a higher rate of persons per boat. You fail at math again.

Here is a little math for ya.

1 pacific solution boat sinks. 29 dead.

1 non-pacific solution boat sinks 46 dead.

Which is the bigger number.

Then tell us, if you have 7 boats in 1 year compared to 134 boats in 1 year, are the chances of a boat sinking higher within the 134 boats or within the 7 boats?

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll76/face3688/th_MetalRandomist-Animation-ROF...

LOLLY THE BOAT RESCUER!

We're so glad you SAVED ALL THEM BOATS from sinking lolly!!! Did you turn them back? We were about to be inundated with them! It's a friggin tsunami of illegal boats I tells ya!

And those boats stay on welfare for YEARS! smack me the mooring and slipping costs ALONE are a nightmare! We'd spend zillions on boat maintenance. I tell ya it's getting out of hand!!

lol figured as much

All that posturing and you have got nothing. Just a poor average per person that is less than a non-pacific solution situation and cant do the math.

Poor effort, just like your pathetic graphing skills.

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Reply #258 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:04pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

No, maths does not at all. Cant blame the tool, just the tool using it. You.

7 boats tops. 1 boat extra per year. Maths says the tool using the tool, has failed. You again.

Compare 7 boats tops with 60 boats and 134 non-pacicific solution. You fail at maths.

And as stated above, the non-pacific solution had a higher rate of persons per boat. You fail at math again.

Here is a little math for ya.

1 pacific solution boat sinks. 29 dead.

1 non-pacific solution boat sinks 46 dead.

Which is the bigger number.

Then tell us, if you have 7 boats in 1 year compared to 134 boats in 1 year, are the chances of a boat sinking higher within the 134 boats or within the 7 boats?

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll76/face3688/th_MetalRandomist-Animation-ROF...

LOLLY THE BOAT RESCUER!

We're so glad you SAVED ALL THEM BOATS from sinking lolly!!! Did you turn them back? We were about to be inundated with them! It's a friggin tsunami of illegal boats I tells ya!

And those boats stay on welfare for YEARS! smack me the mooring and slipping costs ALONE are a nightmare! We'd spend zillions on boat maintenance. I tell ya it's getting out of hand!!

lol figured as much

All that posturing and you have got nothing. Just a poor average per person that is less than a non-pacific solution situation and cant do the math.

Poor effort, just like your pathetic graphing skills.

Did you boatboy? Told you I'd laugh at you! And it seems I'll have to continue. If you want to rescue BOATS then you go right ahead!! The year that ONE boat turned up with ONE person in it!! THAT WAS A POLICY DISASTER FOR LOLLY!!!

What a maroon!

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #259 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:07pm And you *still* can't address the point I've made repeatedly - the Pacific Solution was failing - because it doesn't fit your pathetic little view. You can't even mention it. No wonder you're on the conga line.
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Reply #260 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:07pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:04pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

No, maths does not at all. Cant blame the tool, just the tool using it. You.

7 boats tops. 1 boat extra per year. Maths says the tool using the tool, has failed. You again.

Compare 7 boats tops with 60 boats and 134 non-pacicific solution. You fail at maths.

And as stated above, the non-pacific solution had a higher rate of persons per boat. You fail at math again.

Here is a little math for ya.

1 pacific solution boat sinks. 29 dead.

1 non-pacific solution boat sinks 46 dead.

Which is the bigger number.

Then tell us, if you have 7 boats in 1 year compared to 134 boats in 1 year, are the chances of a boat sinking higher within the 134 boats or within the 7 boats?

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll76/face3688/th_MetalRandomist-Animation-ROF...

LOLLY THE BOAT RESCUER!

We're so glad you SAVED ALL THEM BOATS from sinking lolly!!! Did you turn them back? We were about to be inundated with them! It's a friggin tsunami of illegal boats I tells ya!

And those boats stay on welfare for YEARS! smack me the mooring and slipping costs ALONE are a nightmare! We'd spend zillions on boat maintenance. I tell ya it's getting out of hand!!

lol figured as much

All that posturing and you have got nothing. Just a poor average per person that is less than a non-pacific solution situation and cant do the math.

Poor effort, just like your pathetic graphing skills.

Did you boatboy? Told you I'd laugh at you! And it seems I'll have to continue. If you want to rescue BOATS then you go right ahead!! The year that ONE boat turned up with ONE person in it!! THAT WAS A POLICY DISASTER FOR LOLLY!!!

What a maroon!

1 boat zero dead. Pretty good odds of zero dead compared to 134 boats with 46 persons average per boat.

Sounds to me like yours and labors policy is to see how far you can flaunt the laws of probability and the more dead, ho humm.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #261 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:12pm progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:07pm: 1 boat zero dead. Pretty good odds of zero dead compared to 134 boats with 46 persons average per boat. One boat with one person - pretty good odds. Same boat with 100 people... not so good... ANOTHER MATH FAIL BY LOLLY!
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Reply #262 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:28pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

1 boat zero dead. Pretty good odds of zero dead compared to 134 boats with 46 persons average per boat.

One boat with one person - pretty good odds. Same boat with 100 people... not so good...

ANOTHER MATH FAIL BY LOLLY! Grin

No it is the boat that sinks, not the people sinking. People die after the boat sinks. Just out of interest. Where was the boat with 100 in it in the pacific solution timeframe?

Goes back to my question that you so obviously want to avoid.

7 boats per year compared to 134 boats per year. Chances of a boat sinking is much much higher within the 134.

Meanwhile the 7 boats would have an average of 29 people on board while the 134 boats would have an average of 46 people on board.

Oh dear. Looking bad for you labor.

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Reply #263 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:49pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:28pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

1 boat zero dead. Pretty good odds of zero dead compared to 134 boats with 46 persons average per boat.

One boat with one person - pretty good odds. Same boat with 100 people... not so good...

ANOTHER MATH FAIL BY LOLLY! Grin

No it is the boat that sinks, not the people sinking. People die after the boat sinks. Just out of interest. Where was the boat with 100 in it in the pacific solution timeframe?

Goes back to my question that you so obviously want to avoid.

7 boats per year compared to 134 boats per year. Chances of a boat sinking is much much higher within the 134.

Meanwhile the 7 boats would have an average of 29 people on board while the 134 boats would have an average of 46 people on board.

Oh dear. Looking bad for you labor.

The Pacific Solution ended in 2007! This is 2012. The boat with 100 people on it was just last week. That's a trend that started in 2005.

So where's YOUR proof that implementing a Pacific Solution would reverse that trend? Because MY proof shows indisputably that the trend started WHEN THE PACIFIC SOLUTION WAS IN FULL SWING.

Got it? Probably not. Anything to avoid the reality eh? Cheesy

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Reply #264 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:56pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:28pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

1 boat zero dead. Pretty good odds of zero dead compared to 134 boats with 46 persons average per boat.

One boat with one person - pretty good odds. Same boat with 100 people... not so good...

ANOTHER MATH FAIL BY LOLLY! Grin

No it is the boat that sinks, not the people sinking. People die after the boat sinks. Just out of interest. Where was the boat with 100 in it in the pacific solution timeframe?

Goes back to my question that you so obviously want to avoid.

7 boats per year compared to 134 boats per year. Chances of a boat sinking is much much higher within the 134.

Meanwhile the 7 boats would have an average of 29 people on board while the 134 boats would have an average of 46 people on board.

Oh dear. Looking bad for you labor.

The Pacific Solution ended in 2007! This is 2012. The boat with 100 people on it was just last week. That's a trend that started in 2005.

So where's YOUR proof that implementing a Pacific Solution would reverse that trend? Because MY proof shows indisputably that the trend started WHEN THE PACIFIC SOLUTION WAS IN FULL SWING.

Got it? Probably not. Anything to avoid the reality eh? Cheesy

No, you dont get a trend from 7 boats compared to 134 boats.

What you get are people who are pathetic at maths think they see a trend so it must be.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #265 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:59pm progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:56pm: No, you dont get a trend from 7 boats compared to 134 boats. Ahhh... lolly's gone on holidays to the land of denial... And still no word on my proof that the pacific solution was failing from 2005... Happy boat rescuing there in Egypt lolly!!
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Reply #266 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:03pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:56pm:

No, you dont get a trend from 7 boats compared to 134 boats.

Ahhh... lolly's gone on holidays to the land of denial...

And still no word on my proof that the pacific solution was failing from 2005...

Happy boat rescuing there in Egypt lolly!! Grin

The only trend you are seeing is that the smugglers want to make more money per boat so cram more onto them.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Right wing refo rubbish Reply #267 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:08pm progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:03pm: The only trend you are seeing is that the smugglers want to make more money per boat so cram more onto them. Undoubtedly that's part of it. But whatever the cause, that's something the Pacific Solution STARTED. Well done Lieberals! You've increased the risks at sea!
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Reply #268 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:10pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:03pm:

The only trend you are seeing is that the smugglers want to make more money per boat so cram more onto them.

Undoubtedly that's part of it. But whatever the cause, that's something the Pacific Solution STARTED.

Well done Lieberals! You've increased the risks at sea!

7 boats a year (pacific solution) compared to 134 boats a year under labor. 2012 in the half year is already more that 2011.

Good onya labor.

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Reply #269 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:20pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:03pm:

The only trend you are seeing is that the smugglers want to make more money per boat so cram more onto them.

Undoubtedly that's part of it. But whatever the cause, that's something the Pacific Solution STARTED.

Well done Lieberals! You've increased the risks at sea!

7 boats a year (pacific solution) compared to 134 boats a year under labor. 2012 in the half year is already more that 2011.

Good onya labor.

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