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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Why not stop the boats, Tony? Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:23am Tony's position on this issue is that the welfare of asylum seekers is more important than stopping the boats. That the risk of more drownings is more palatable than sending asylum seekers to Malaysia.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #1 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:08am

Good position considering that Nauru worked, the pacific solution was a raging success and could be opened on a drop of a hat and has UNHCR signage.

No, labor are just partisan hacks who want more deaths running their gauntlet.

Pacific Solution years had boat arrival numbers of 1 - 7 per year. It worked. Labor just could not and can not have that happening

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #2 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:33am

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:23am:

Tony's position on this issue is that the welfare of asylum seekers is more important than stopping the boats. That the risk of more drownings is more palatable than sending asylum seekers to Malaysia.

Malaysia is a dud deal. It is not signatory to the UN, and we swap 1 for 5 people.

The only one playing politics here is agillard. Why won't sheeinstate Naurua? Why did she get rid of it in the first place?

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Reply #3 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:35am

It was within Tony's powers to stop the boats. Instead he has sided with the greens and refused to put the welfare of asylum seekers at risk by sending them back to Malaysia. This clearly indicates that he believes the risk of boatpeople drowning is more acceptable than the risk of human rights violations in Malaysia.

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Reply #4 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:36am

Had the Coalition voted for the Gillard/Oakeshott bill, we wouldn't have seen the boats stop. Nor would they have even slowed. We would have seen the number of arrivals increase due to the stupidity of the bill. Under the terms of the agreement, we would send to Malaysia 800 of these boat people per year. In the last eight days there have been seven boats carrying 656 people. Had we not seen so many lives tragically lost, that number would probably be close to 800. So in two weeks, the Malaysia deal would be less than useless. What would we do for the other 50 weeks of the year? Onshore processing? That's what we have now and clearly it is making matters worse, not better. Offshore processing? Sure, that could work if Gillard hadn't killed off a Coalition bill that would have allowed just that.

No, the problem here most certainly is not Tony Abbott nor any member of the Coalition. The one and only place where the blame lies is with this ALP government. Rudd dismantled the highly successful Pacific Solution and since then we've seen Labor blunder from one incompetent policy to another. Gillard clearly has no idea, or else she wouldn't turn to Angus Houston for help. That is not the actions of someone worthy to be our PM. She should lead, but cannot. She should have a plan, but does not. She should call an election. Now.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #5 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:38am

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

It was within Tony's powers to stop the boats. Instead he has sided with the greens and refused to put the welfare of asylum seekers at risk by sending them back to Malaysia. This clearly indicates that he believes the risk of boatpeople drowning is more acceptable than the risk of human rights violations in Malaysia.

The self preclaimed negotiator should know that if you cant get a policy through, you negotiate or go DD. She does not want to because she knows the liberals Nauru worked and she will lose face.

Not even the lives of people will change her. She is not caring at all except for keeping face.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #6 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:42am ^So Tony is would rather achieve a political aim than stop the boats. I think most of us can see that.
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #7 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:55am Why doesn't he start up a shop? He could render down their bodies for lard to make soap. They may have gold teeth y'know! That could be a good Lieberal policy. I mean, if he's going to trade in human misery he may as well go the whole hog, so to speak.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #8 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:57am

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

^So Tony is would rather achieve a political aim than stop the boats. I think most of us can see that.

Yes Abbott would rather stop the boats, use a human rights country (on the request of lefties) and use a policy that was a raging success with historical data to show for it.

Gillard would rather many deaths and partisanship in some wako idea that she can save face.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #9 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:10pm Just remember every immigrant you bring in, we will make sure we turn into an enemy of the Communist ruling class....you are not building your voter base but an army of malcontents...
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25964 Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #10 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:39pm I notice no one has refuted my analysis of the Malaysia non-solution. Clearly, you Lefties know there is no argument to be made against my analysis because the Malaysia non-solution would fail.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #11 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 12:58pm Relaxing the policy will just invite more boats and the consequence will be more disasters at sea.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #12 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:23pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:23am:

Tony's position on this issue is that the welfare of asylum seekers is more important than stopping the boats. That the risk of more drownings is more palatable than sending asylum seekers to Malaysia.

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tonegunman1 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 427	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #13 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm So remind me who is in power again? Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25964 Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #14 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:52pm tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm: So remind me who is in power again? Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government. Going by the rantings of Gillard and Co, you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise!!!
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Question: Why has Abbott voted against stopping the boats.
Concern for asylum seekers 2 (8.3%) Political advantage 18 (75.0%) Other 4 (16.7%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: MOTR on: Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:23am »