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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #15 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 2:10pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

It was within Tony's powers to stop the boats. Instead he has sided with the greens and refused to put the welfare of asylum seekers at risk by sending them back to Malaysia. This clearly indicates that he believes the risk of boatpeople drowning is more acceptable than the risk of human rights violations in Malaysia.

So the Greens are just as much to blame as Tony according to you?

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #16 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 2:19pm

Verge wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

It was within Tony's powers to stop the boats. Instead he has sided with the greens and refused to put the welfare of asylum seekers at risk by sending them back to Malaysia. This clearly indicates that he believes the risk of boatpeople drowning is more acceptable than the risk of human rights violations in Malaysia.

So the Greens are just as much to blame as Tony according to you?

Only one place to lay the blame - ALP. They inherited a successful policy and all they had to do was leave it alone. But naturally, Rudd dismantled it and now we have this mess. Julia could've fixed it two days ago but, as the partisan hack she is, she refused to do so. Instead, she prefers to play politics in the hope of scoring cheap points. It backfired spectacularly on her and now she is looking to others (Angus Houston) for a solution when the Coalition offered it to her before she tabled Oakeshott's bill. Gillard isn't interested in fixing her mess, only in playing politics.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #17 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:27pm tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm: So remind me who is in power again? Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government. Remind me again - who determines how the coalition votes? Last time I looked Gillard was not the leader of the coalition.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #18 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:38pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

So remind me who is in power again?
Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government.

Remind me again - who determines how the coalition votes? Last time I looked Gillard was not the leader of the coalition.

The self proclaimed negotiator Gillard is suppose to negotiate like a good negotiator does.

The opposition is suppose to oppose poor policy (like the Malaysia policy). One is doing their job, the other is hopeless.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #19 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:41pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

So remind me who is in power again?
Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government.

Remind me again - who determines how the coalition votes? Last time I looked Gillard was not the leader of the coalition.

The self proclaimed negotiator Gillard is suppose to negotiate like a good negotiator does.

The opposition is suppose to oppose poor policy (like the Malaysia policy). One is doing their job, the other is hopeless.

I'd never thought I'd see you declare the entire opposition hopeless lolly! I'm not sure I can go THAT far but yes, most of 'em wouldn't be worth picking up out of the gutter if they were covered in fifty dollar notes.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #20 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:53pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

So remind me who is in power again?
Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government.

Remind me again - who determines how the coalition votes? Last time I looked Gillard was not the leader of the coalition.

The self proclaimed negotiator Gillard is suppose to negotiate like a good negotiator does.

The opposition is suppose to oppose poor policy (like the Malaysia policy). One is doing their job, the other is hopeless.

I'd never thought I'd see you declare the entire opposition hopeless lolly! I'm not sure I can go THAT far but yes, most of 'em wouldn't be worth picking up out of the gutter if they were covered in fifty dollar notes.

Ahhh but you see, you are too stupid to do math. 1 is doing their job = opposing poor policy, the other is not doing their job = not negotiating.

I cant be your math teacher forever. You will have to go out on your own one day.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #21 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:09pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

So remind me who is in power again?
Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government.

Remind me again - who determines how the coalition votes? Last time I looked Gillard was not the leader of the coalition.

The self proclaimed negotiator Gillard is suppose to negotiate like a good negotiator does.

The opposition is suppose to oppose poor policy (like the Malaysia policy). One is doing their job, the other is hopeless.

I'd never thought I'd see you declare the entire opposition hopeless lolly! I'm not sure I can go THAT far but yes, most of 'em wouldn't be worth picking up out of the gutter if they were covered in fifty dollar notes.

Ahhh but you see, you are too stupid to do math. 1 is doing their job = opposing poor policy, the other is not doing their job = not negotiating.

I cant be your math teacher forever. You will have to go out on your own one day.

Hey boatboy, RESCUED ANY BOATS LATELY?

I know a hulk on the Parramatta River that looks like it's in danger of sinking. You best tend to it!

Hasn't been anyone on it in years but hey, IT'S A BOAT IN NEED OF RESCUE! Grin

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #22 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:14pm What a load of doublethink BS. She cant "negotiate" when they wont talk to her. She has even compromised but they still wont give her an inch. They play with ppls lives to score political points and you fal for it hook line and boat. SOB
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #23 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:33pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

What a load of doublethink BS. She cant "negotiate" when they wont talk to her. She has even compromised but they still wont give her an inch. They play with ppls lives to score political points and you fal for it hook line and boat.

SOB

They offered up a negotiation. She declined to negotiate.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #25 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:48pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

What a load of doublethink BS. She cant "negotiate" when they wont talk to her. She has even compromised but they still wont give her an inch. They play with ppls lives to score political points and you fal for it hook line and boat.

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They offered up a negotiation. She declined to negotiate.

What negotiation?

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #26 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:53pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

^So Tony is would rather achieve a political aim than stop the boats. I think most of us can see that.

NO ONE can see that. What they are seeing is a govt determined to get its way and ONYL its way regardless of the outcome. labors solution has little chance of success while Abbotts solution is a proven one that workse very well.

A credible, caring and competent PM would embarace Abbots solutionn because it would actually be implemented and passed by both hosues. But no, this damnably uncaring scumbag decided it was HER WAY or NO WAY.

the lives of boat people who die from now on are on her head. Nauru could be opend today but instead it looks liek we will ahve to wait for the next elction to get a policy in place that will actually save lives.

Gillard, you are a DISGRACE.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #27 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

^So Tony is would rather achieve a political aim than stop the boats. I think most of us can see that.

NO ONE can see that. What they are seeing is a govt determined to get its way and ONYL its way regardless of the outcome. labors solution has little chance of success while Abbotts solution is a proven one that workse very well.

A credible, caring and competent PM would embarace Abbots solutionn because it would actually be implemented and passed by both hosues. But no, this damnably uncaring scumbag decided it was HER WAY or NO WAY.

the lives of boat people who die from now on are on her head. Nauru could be opend today but instead it looks liek we will ahve to wait for the next elction to get a policy in place that will actually save lives.

Gillard, you are a DISGRACE.

Last I checked, 70% of voters here could see it. Of course you couldn't. But then you can't see the end of your nose... Cheesy

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #28 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:54pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Let this be a lesson to the war mongers...if you invade a country you will create refugees..invade two countries and you double the refugees.
The people cheering Howard on when he invaded Iraq and Afghanistan should realise that they now have a responsibility to those whose lives they have destroyed.

your idiotic belief that someone all the refugees are iraqi and afghani makes you look like a fool. do you think the world-wide refugee problem began in 2003?

idiot.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #29 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:55pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

What a load of doublethink BS. She cant "negotiate" when they wont talk to her. She has even compromised but they still wont give her an inch. They play with ppls lives to score political points and you fal for it hook line and boat.

SOB

They offered up a negotiation. She declined to negotiate.

What negotiation?

SOB

It was not a round table negotiation. It was an offer of support for ????. It did not have Malaysia as part of the mix and was rejected. If they wanted to fix the boat deaths, then they should have started with something, then push for exactly what they wanted. Instead they have nothing. They knew they would have nothing so should have gone with something.

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Question: Why has Abbott voted against stopping the boats.
Concern for asylum seekers 2 (8.3%) Political advantage 18 (75.0%) Other 4 (16.7%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: MOTR on: Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:23am »