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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #166 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:57pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:40pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 7:56pm:

I respect your position. Indeed, I was thinking the same thing. Then I thought why would a journalist employed by Murdoch fabricate such a limb for himself. Just a thought.

the standard of journalism has plummeted somewhat over the years. Even finding an article long on facts, full of interest and devoid of opinon is like finding a jewel. But the public is to blame. We apparently dont want facts. We want invective and hyperbole. ANd because one person wants that the opponent has to respon in kind otherwise the message is totally lost.

I don't buy it, Longy. You are accusing a senior journalist of outright fabrication, not merely hyberbolising.

Did I miss the evidence. there does not seem to be anything factual.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #167 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 9:02pm No, progs. It is all heresay. I'm just struggling to find a motivation. I'm just sharing my own personal assessment. I'd bet I was right but he's certainly not guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #168 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 1:17am MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 9:11am: You are in for a shock when you get home, Avram. Nearly a half of Israeli adults are overweight and over a third of their children. Although to be fair to you personally, Avram, you are probably in the "sink em" camp. Sink em?
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #169 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 1:23am
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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #170 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:44am For a start tony abbott is not the one that has to stop the boats it is the sitting governments responsibility to take action to stop the boats.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #171 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:46am

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:40pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 7:56pm:

I respect your position. Indeed, I was thinking the same thing. Then I thought why would a journalist employed by Murdoch fabricate such a limb for himself. Just a thought.

the standard of journalism has plummeted somewhat over the years. Even finding an article long on facts, full of interest and devoid of opinon is like finding a jewel. But the public is to blame. We apparently dont want facts. We want invective and hyperbole. ANd because one person wants that the opponent has to respon in kind otherwise the message is totally lost.

I don't buy it, Longy. You are accusing a senior journalist of outright fabrication, not merely hyberbolising.

They do that. Or rather they copy paste from some source that did that. It comes out now and then when its REALLY bad that some journo copied from some other journo who got their "facts"form some blogger etc.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #172 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:49am

warrigal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:44am:

For a start tony abbott is not the one that has to stop the boats it is the sitting governments responsibility to take action to stop the boats.

Not when you can't get your legislation through parliament. Tony knows the Malaysian solution will stop the boats, but that is against his best interests.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #173 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:52am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:46am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 8:40pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 7:56pm:

I respect your position. Indeed, I was thinking the same thing. Then I thought why would a journalist employed by Murdoch fabricate such a limb for himself. Just a thought.

the standard of journalism has plummeted somewhat over the years. Even finding an article long on facts, full of interest and devoid of opinon is like finding a jewel. But the public is to blame. We apparently dont want facts. We want invective and hyperbole. ANd because one person wants that the opponent has to respon in kind otherwise the message is totally lost.

I don't buy it, Longy. You are accusing a senior journalist of outright fabrication, not merely hyberbolising.

They do that. Or rather they copy paste from some source that did that. It comes out now and then when its REALLY bad that some journo copied from some other journo who got their "facts"form some blogger etc.

SOB

With an accusation such as this I would have thought the journalist in question would have been quizzed re the bonafides of his source.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #174 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:17am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:49am:

warrigal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:44am:

For a start tony abbott is not the one that has to stop the boats it is the sitting governments responsibility to take action to stop the boats.

Not when you can't get your legislation through parliament. Tony knows the Malaysian solution will stop the boats, but that is against his best interests.

You think it'll stop the boats? The only part of that deal that could be perceived as any kind of disincentive to hop onto a boat is the fact that 800 people per year (not per month) would be sent to Malaysia, a country with a deplorable record on its treatment of refugees. However, at the present rate of arrivals, that figure is reached in little more than a week, with nearly 2000 arriving last month. So once those 800 people have been sent to Malaysia, there is no longer any deterrent and even if it does manage to slow the boats, once that number passes 800, the surge will re-commence. That is why, in a nutshell, the Malaysia deal is doomed to fail.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #175 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:22am I'm not sure how you get the first 800 onto the boats. Anyway Gillard has offered Malaysia and Nauru. So if there is an overflow they are off to Nauru.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #176 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:24am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

I'm not sure how you get the first 800 onto the boats. Anyway Gillard has offered Malaysia and Nauru. So if there is an overflow they are off to Nauru.

How would those people know they are going to Malaysia? I doubt the people smugglers would tell them. It would be bad for business. As for Gillard's offer, it's not an offer. It's an ultimatum. Why should anyone be asked to support a bad and illegal policy? Gillard herself promised not to ever send any people to a non UNHCR signatory country, yet she is hellbent on doing precisely that with absolutely no protections in place for those people.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26068 Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #177 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:28am Another boat, another policy failure by Gillard and Bowen... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/asylum-seeker-boat-near-indonesia...
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #178 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:28am That's ridiculous, armchair, of course they are going to know. By your own logic Nauru isn't going to work anyway.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26068 Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #179 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:30am MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:28am: That's ridiculous, armchair, of course they are going to know. By your own logic Nauru isn't going to work anyway. Really? Why would Nauru not work?
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