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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #30 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:57pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

So remind me who is in power again?
Last time I looked Abbott was not the leader of the government.

Remind me again - who determines how the coalition votes? Last time I looked Gillard was not the leader of the coalition.

The self proclaimed negotiator Gillard is suppose to negotiate like a good negotiator does.

The opposition is suppose to oppose poor policy (like the Malaysia policy). One is doing their job, the other is hopeless.

exactly. I thought Gillard was supposed to be a negotiator par excellence? I certainly dont see that here. she had HER way or NO WAY. that isnt negotation. it is blackmail and it failed like som many other policies. She wants Malaysia for who-knows-what-reason and will not accept any solution that does not involve that.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #31 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:58pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

What a load of doublethink BS. She cant "negotiate" when they wont talk to her. She has even compromised but they still wont give her an inch. They play with ppls lives to score political points and you fal for it hook line and boat.

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They offered up a negotiation. She declined to negotiate.

What negotiation?

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It was not a round table negotiation. It was an offer of support for ????. It did not have Malaysia as part of the mix and was rejected. If they wanted to fix the boat deaths, then they should have started with something, then push for exactly what they wanted. Instead they have nothing. They knew they would have nothing so should have gone with something.

What? You mean the government didnt accept the oppositions policy? She doesnt have to - they are the opposition. She has been trying to negotiate but they wont budge.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #32 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

exactly. I thought Gillard was supposed to be a negotiator par excellence? I certainly dont see that here. she had HER way or NO WAY. that isnt negotation. it is blackmail and it failed like som many other policies. She wants Malaysia for who-knows-what-reason and will not accept any solution that does not involve that.

GILLARD IS A DISGRACE

Can't negotiate with someone who's idea of negotiation is to offer you their arse.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #33 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:04pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

What? You mean the government didnt accept the oppositions policy? She doesnt have to - they are the opposition. She has been trying to negotiate but they wont budge.

SOB

It's amazing what thickheads these righties are, eh? They seem to think that "negotiation" should have meant Gillard accepting everything that Abbott wanted and then they go from there.

What a bunch of clowns! No wonder they NEGOTIATED THEMSELVES OUT OF GOVERNMENT!!

Way to go retards! Grin

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #34 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:05pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

exactly. I thought Gillard was supposed to be a negotiator par excellence? I certainly dont see that here. she had HER way or NO WAY. that isnt negotation. it is blackmail and it failed like som many other policies. She wants Malaysia for who-knows-what-reason and will not accept any solution that does not involve that.

GILLARD IS A DISGRACE

Can't negotiate with someone who's idea of negotiation is to offer you their arse.

Why negotiate?
Both Labor and the Coalition are just playing political games with peoples lives and neither party has any intention of doing the right thing by the people they made refugees through the two wars of revenge.
Crocodile tears by a parliament full of narcissistic cowards is all we are seeing.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #35 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:07pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

What a load of doublethink BS. She cant "negotiate" when they wont talk to her. She has even compromised but they still wont give her an inch. They play with ppls lives to score political points and you fal for it hook line and boat.

SOB

They offered up a negotiation. She declined to negotiate.

What negotiation?

SOB

It was not a round table negotiation. It was an offer of support for ????. It did not have Malaysia as part of the mix and was rejected. If they wanted to fix the boat deaths, then they should have started with something, then push for exactly what they wanted. Instead they have nothing. They knew they would have nothing so should have gone with something.

What? You mean the government didnt accept the oppositions policy? She doesnt have to - they are the opposition. She has been trying to negotiate but they wont budge.

SOB

So she does her job, gets something passed and then pushes for more later. The greens will not go malaysia deal, neither will opposition.

Gillard/labor know this, so have to do their job if they want something passed. We are not talking about something that does not have a track record. We are talking about a policy that was a raging success.

Labor just want people to die or be canned and branded.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #36 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:14pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

What a load of doublethink BS. She cant "negotiate" when they wont talk to her. She has even compromised but they still wont give her an inch. They play with ppls lives to score political points and you fal for it hook line and boat.

SOB

They offered up a negotiation. She declined to negotiate.

What negotiation?

SOB

It was not a round table negotiation. It was an offer of support for ????. It did not have Malaysia as part of the mix and was rejected. If they wanted to fix the boat deaths, then they should have started with something, then push for exactly what they wanted. Instead they have nothing. They knew they would have nothing so should have gone with something.

What? You mean the government didnt accept the oppositions policy? She doesnt have to - they are the opposition. She has been trying to negotiate but they wont budge.

SOB

gillard refused to negotiate. all she did was let that idiot Oakeshoot put up a bill which was exactly her own preferred position and then complain when it failed. No negotiation, no compromise.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #37 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:15pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

What? You mean the government didnt accept the oppositions policy? She doesnt have to - they are the opposition. She has been trying to negotiate but they wont budge.

SOB

It's amazing what thickheads these righties are, eh? They seem to think that "negotiation" should have meant Gillard accepting everything that Abbott wanted and then they go from there.

What a bunch of clowns! No wonder they NEGOTIATED THEMSELVES OUT OF GOVERNMENT!!

Way to go retards! Grin

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maybe you should goole the meaning of 'negotiation'. it doesnt mean getting your own way and flipping the finger at your opposition. thats all she has ever done

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #38 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:16pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

exactly. I thought Gillard was supposed to be a negotiator par excellence? I certainly dont see that here. she had HER way or NO WAY. that isnt negotation. it is blackmail and it failed like som many other policies. She wants Malaysia for who-knows-what-reason and will not accept any solution that does not involve that.

GILLARD IS A DISGRACE

Can't negotiate with someone who's idea of negotiation is to offer you their arse.

Why negotiate?
Both Labor and the Coalition are just playing political games with peoples lives and neither party has any intention of doing the right thing by the people they made refugees through the two wars of revenge.
Crocodile tears by a parliament full of narcissistic cowards is all we are seeing.

all you are doing is simplfying the problem and then adopting a partisan poitical position. big deal.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #39 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

What? You mean the government didnt accept the oppositions policy? She doesnt have to - they are the opposition. She has been trying to negotiate but they wont budge.

SOB

It's amazing what thickheads these righties are, eh? They seem to think that "negotiation" should have meant Gillard accepting everything that Abbott wanted and then they go from there.

What a bunch of clowns! No wonder they NEGOTIATED THEMSELVES OUT OF GOVERNMENT!!

Way to go retards! Grin

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maybe you should goole the meaning of 'negotiation'. it doesnt mean getting your own way and flipping the finger at your opposition. thats all she has ever done

Maybe you should google the meaning of 'negotiation'. It doesn't mean demanding you get 100% of your way as a starting point or else you won't even talk to your opposition. That's all Abbott has ever done.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #40 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

exactly. I thought Gillard was supposed to be a negotiator par excellence? I certainly dont see that here. she had HER way or NO WAY. that isnt negotation. it is blackmail and it failed like som many other policies. She wants Malaysia for who-knows-what-reason and will not accept any solution that does not involve that.

GILLARD IS A DISGRACE

Can't negotiate with someone who's idea of negotiation is to offer you their arse.

Why negotiate?
Both Labor and the Coalition are just playing political games with peoples lives and neither party has any intention of doing the right thing by the people they made refugees through the two wars of revenge.
Crocodile tears by a parliament full of narcissistic cowards is all we are seeing.

all you are doing is simplfying the problem and then adopting a partisan poitical position. big deal.

Im supporting the Greens position and I will continue to support the same position when Labor and the Greens block Abbotts regressive refugee policies if or when he gets into power.
Personally I think Clive Palmer is trying to do a Campbell Newman and grab the leadership prior to the next election so the Greens will be blocking his reffo policies Tongue

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #41 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

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Reply #42 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

exactly. I thought Gillard was supposed to be a negotiator par excellence? I certainly dont see that here. she had HER way or NO WAY. that isnt negotation. it is blackmail and it failed like som many other policies. She wants Malaysia for who-knows-what-reason and will not accept any solution that does not involve that.

GILLARD IS A DISGRACE

Can't negotiate with someone who's idea of negotiation is to offer you their arse.

Why negotiate?
Both Labor and the Coalition are just playing political games with peoples lives and neither party has any intention of doing the right thing by the people they made refugees through the two wars of revenge.
Crocodile tears by a parliament full of narcissistic cowards is all we are seeing.

all you are doing is simplfying the problem and then adopting a partisan poitical position. big deal.

Im supporting the Greens position and I will continue to support the same position when Labor and the Greens block Abbotts regressive refugee policies if or when he gets into power.
Personally I think Clive Palmer is trying to do a Campbell Newman and grab the leadership prior to the next election so the Greens will be blocking his reffo policies Tongue

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Dont think you would have to block it. Clive Palmer has no chance in hell of winning also no chance in hell of leading the liberals.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #43 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

SOB

Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #44 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:37pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

SOB

Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

If abbott wanted to save lives he would let the government do their job.

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