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Question: Why has Abbott voted against stopping the boats.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #360 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:24am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:19am:
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:11am:
You'll find I have plenty of issues with Julia Gillard - ranging from her inability to tell the truth, to her poor policies for the middle class, to her socialist leanings - however I am yet to attack her on her physical appearance.

I would say that a cartoon on one person - be it her behind or Abbott's ears - is much less offensive than the wholesale characterisation of a group of people as foreign, meddling, crook-like rats such as this one of the Jews.

That characterisation of them was circulated by Hitler 1933 - 1945.


yet you've nver once criticised a cartoon that shows Gillard with a long crooked nose .. the same thing your crying about with your other cartoon ....



I have never criticised one which shows Abbott having abnormally big ears or Hockey as a big fat bloke.

I don't have too much of an issue with characterisations of personal politicians if it stays within boundaries - they sign up to the life they know whats coming.

However putting that in the same category as a cartoon showing Jews as rat like people, coming in to replace "white decent Australians" for jobs is ludicrous and you should know that.

The portrayal is right out of the abhorrent nations of Germany and Italy of that time.


I don't give a flying bugger what happened in Italy and Germany at the time ..I'm more concerned with the level of hypocrisy from some people on here ... if you are happy to stereotype, fine ...just don't complain if it's about Jews ... if you don't like stereotypes then complain about them ..regardless of who it is .. to pick and choose shows you for the hypocrite you are .....

After reading some of the comments from you and Avram on here, I'm not so sure I disagree with the cartoons anyway ... except that its disrespectful to rats ....
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Reply #361 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:25am
 
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #362 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:27am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:20am:
The comment on Italians as cowards and mummy's boys is not my own - its a common stereotype and not remotely the same.

I am sure your offence has nothing to do with your heritage.


the cartoon on Jews wasn't from any forum member either ... whats your point?  when you perpetuate the stereotype it makes you just as guilty as the person who said it originally
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Reply #363 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:47am
 
Gist wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:23am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:20am:
The comment on Italians as cowards and mummy's boys is not my own - its a common stereotype and not remotely the same.

I am sure your offence has nothing to do with your heritage.


That comment was yours. Or are you saying you quoting someone else. Where's the link?  Roll Eyes

Running away from your own words now. Coward.


it seems he is a coward after all the sleazy little grub.... next he'll be complaining about the Trojans attitude to the Greeks ...
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Reply #364 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:52am
 
The idea of I am Jewish seems to come from the loony Italian (if you see his posts the last few months they literally always involve abusing others be it longer wkend, progressiveslol, cods, maqqa etc) rarely adds anything positive or on topic.

Anyway it seems I am Jewish based on knowing about Jewish postwar anti semitism and migration.
I can only imagine some of you are not fortunate enough to have the schooling I have where you learn such things - hence your ignorance is that to know about Jewish trends and experience you must be a Jew. Idiotic .

Given I also studied in depth Napoleonic wars - am I French? I did the Weimar Republic economic policy - am I German? I did the US post war policy - am I American?

The answer in short is that I am very well educated. I went to the top schools money can buy.

To pass off as "you only know something if you are one" is pure ignorance.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #365 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:56am
 
I also saw your response to Avram posting from Israel that you hoped he be shot.

And we wonder why Australians are seen as a bunch of feral uncouth idiots by others?
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #366 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:03pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:16am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:13am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:01am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:00am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 10:52am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 10:32am:
We did let some in though so whats your problem?

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My problem is in the rampant anti-semitism that Australia displayed and that so many of you seem completely oblivious to it.

You see nothing wrong in that cartoon I showed - which appeared in national newspapers of the day.
The portrayal of Jews as crooked nosed, long bearded crooks is right out of the Fascist handbook of Germany and Italy.


Because its the same crap that still goes on today with the boat ppl. Same crap different religion.

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You're saying you have no problem with cartoons stereotyping people in that way - either then or now?


What does it matter? Then is a long time ago and they dont do that anymore (characterising the jews that is) but they still do it to the muslims dont they. Are you telling me you dont mind that they do it to muslims NOW?

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I am asking you whether you think there is anything wrong with that cartoon in your mind?

Saying "it was a while ago now" is beyond idiotic.

The holocaust was 70 years ago, should we just forget it now?
You know its been a while and all that.....


Because it was a cartoon not a "holocaust" you idiot.

It would be a lot less likely to happen now because ppl have realise (well most) that racism isnt so good. well its not likely happen now about the jews but it does about the muslims doesnt it.

Now since you are going to use my answer as n excuse not to answer my question again I will answer the way you want me to although i already did twice. Who cares? Its a religion. You make fun of muslims and atheists make fun of all the religious kooks.

Thing is racial stereotyping and mockery is not a good thing but religious mockery is acceptable. IMO.

Now answer my question.

Are you telling me you dont mind that they do it to muslims NOW?

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Reply #367 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm
 
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Given I also studied in depth Napoleonic wars - am I French? I did the Weimar Republic economic policy - am I German? I did the US post war policy - am I American?


What an education. Bet that qualifies you for a meaningful high paying job.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #368 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:10pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:52am:
The idea of I am Jewish seems to come from the loony Italian (if you see his posts the last few months they literally always involve abusing others be it longer wkend, progressiveslol, cods, maqqa etc) rarely adds anything positive or on topic.

that doesn't give you the right to make comments about all Italians ...there are 120 million Italians around the world .. Gist is but one


Anyway it seems I am Jewish based on knowing about Jewish postwar anti semitism and migration.
I can only imagine some of you are not fortunate enough to have the schooling I have where you learn such things - hence your ignorance is that to know about Jewish trends and experience you must be a Jew. Idiotic .


Given I also studied in depth Napoleonic wars - am I French? I did the Weimar Republic economic policy - am I German? I did the US post war policy - am I American?

The answer in short is that I am very well educated. I went to the top schools money can buy.

the fact that you consider yourself well educated does not invalidate the opinions of others ... you may be well educated but that doesn't make you smarter

To pass off as "you only know something if you are one" is pure ignorance.


to think you know it all is also ignorance
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Reply #369 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:13pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 11:56am:
I also saw your response to Avram posting from Israel that you hoped he be shot.

And we wonder why Australians are seen as a bunch of feral uncouth idiots by others?


I was merely astonished that someone as bigoted and racist as he is hadn't been shot yet ... I never said I hoped he be shot so stop lieing  .. I see all that education you bought and yet basic comprehension still escapes you ..
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Reply #370 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:50pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
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Given I also studied in depth Napoleonic wars - am I French? I did the Weimar Republic economic policy - am I German? I did the US post war policy - am I American?


What an education. Bet that qualifies you for a meaningful high paying job.

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his problem is that he think it qualifies him above all others ... no one could possibly have anything valid to say if it's doesn't parrot his sentiments ...after all they aren't as smart as he is . ..... remember Andrei  ...paying for your degree isn't the same as earning it .
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Reply #371 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:06pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
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What an education. Bet that qualifies you for a meaningful high paying job.

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Well clearly it did.

It's called a rounded education you fool, something you clearly didn't get.
The Australian education system seems to produce too many of your sort as opposed to mine.
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Reply #372 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
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Given I also studied in depth Napoleonic wars - am I French? I did the Weimar Republic economic policy - am I German? I did the US post war policy - am I American?


What an education. Bet that qualifies you for a meaningful high paying job.

SOB


his problem is that he think it qualifies him above all others ... no one could possibly have anything valid to say if it's doesn't parrot his sentiments ...after all they aren't as smart as he is . ..... remember Andrei  ...paying for your degree isn't the same as earning it .


Not true but you would say that someone who studied in depth on a topic is going to have a more informed opinion that someone with no education on it and who seems, at a guess, to have a more rudimentary background mostl likely from the public schooling system.

May sound snobbish but people need to be a bit more aware of this.
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Reply #373 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:12pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
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Given I also studied in depth Napoleonic wars - am I French? I did the Weimar Republic economic policy - am I German? I did the US post war policy - am I American?


What an education. Bet that qualifies you for a meaningful high paying job.

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Well clearly it did.

It's called a rounded education you fool, something you clearly didn't get.
The Australian education system seems to produce too many of your sort as opposed to mine.


Then why cant you answer simple questions?

Are you telling me you dont mind that they do it to muslims NOW?

So its bad to do it in 1945 to some jewish ppl and you reckon it should never be forgotten but its fine to do it NOW to muslims.

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Reply #374 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:16pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
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Given I also studied in depth Napoleonic wars - am I French? I did the Weimar Republic economic policy - am I German? I did the US post war policy - am I American?


What an education. Bet that qualifies you for a meaningful high paying job.

SOB


his problem is that he think it qualifies him above all others ... no one could possibly have anything valid to say if it's doesn't parrot his sentiments ...after all they aren't as smart as he is . ..... remember Andrei  ...paying for your degree isn't the same as earning it .


Not true but you would say that someone who studied in depth on a topic is going to have a more informed opinion that someone with no education on it and who seems, at a guess, to have a more rudimentary background mostl likely from the public schooling system.

May sound snobbish but people need to be a bit more aware of this.


So yu got a private religious education. Big whoop. Doesnt make you know more than everyone else obviously because your views are skewed and close minded. You want to judge whole groups of ppl yet object when others are judged.

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