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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #45 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:38pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

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Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

If abbott wanted to save lives he would let the government do their job.

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Abbott knows what will save lives. It is on record. In raw data.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #46 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:45pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

SOB

Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

If abbott wanted to save lives he would let the government do their job.

SOB

Abbott knows what will save lives. It is on record. In raw data.

DATA IS ALWAYS COMPLETE AND NEVER LIES!

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #47 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:56pm The Pacific Solution was a failure. That's something that apparently everyone except righties are capable of understanding.
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #48 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:59pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

The Pacific Solution was a failure. That's something that apparently everyone except righties are capable of understanding.

7 boats with average of 29 persons per boat(pacifi solution) compared to non-pacific solution 134 boats and 46 persons per boat and 2012 half year equaling 2011 full year. That is hardly a failure on the pacific solution, it is a failure on not having the pacific solution.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #49 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:00pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

The Pacific Solution was a failure. That's something that apparently everyone except righties are capable of understanding.

7 boats with average of 29 persons per boat(pacifi solution) compared to non-pacific solution 134 boats and 46 persons per boat and 2012 half year equaling 2011 full year. That is hardly a failure on the pacific solution, it is a failure on not having the pacific solution.

How many boats were there prior to the Afghan and Iraq invasions?

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #50 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:01pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

The Pacific Solution was a failure. That's something that apparently everyone except righties are capable of understanding.

7 boats with average of 29 persons per boat(pacifi solution) compared to non-pacific solution 134 boats and 46 persons per boat and 2012 half year equaling 2011 full year. That is hardly a failure on the pacific solution, it is a failure on not having the pacific solution.

How many boats were there prior to the Afghan and Iraq invasions?

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #51 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:11pm

Lolly, you'll be happy to know that I've just fired off a memo to the government. I promoted your scheme to them in a big way. I even named you as the creator!

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The LOLLY BOAT SCHEME

Essentially the idea is to send one rather large vessel - perhaps a naval vessel or (even better) a chartered cruise ship - to Indonesia to round up ALL of the would-be asylum seekers that are there. Depending on numbers, it could then proceed to do the same in Sri Lanka, Malaysia and other ports in the region. This would have the following benefits

Deprive people smugglers of income
Reduce the risk of loss of boats at sea (note - this assumes a large vessel would be pretty safe otherwise the stats could be pretty ordinary)
Reduce the number of asylum seeker boats entering Australian waters to just ONE

Lolly assures me that the last point is crucial. This would make the policy a resounding success - far better than was achieved throughout virtually all of Howard's Pacific Solution years! He assures me that ONE boat instead of 100 would be a huge reduction in the asylum seeker problem. I commend this plan to the Prime Minister for her urgent consideration.

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PS. For all further correspondence please contact lolly@ozpolitic.com

You should be proud ol' mate!

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #52 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:19pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

Lolly, you'll be happy to know that I've just fired off a memo to the government. I promoted your scheme to them in a big way. I even named you as the creator!

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The LOLLY BOAT SCHEME

Essentially the idea is to send one rather large vessel - perhaps a naval vessel or (even better) a chartered cruise ship - to Indonesia to round up ALL of the would-be asylum seekers that are there. Depending on numbers, it could then proceed to do the same in Sri Lanka, Malaysia and other ports in the region. This would have the following benefits

Deprive people smugglers of income
Reduce the risk of loss of boats at sea (note - this assumes a large vessel would be pretty safe otherwise the stats could be pretty ordinary)
Reduce the number of asylum seeker boats entering Australian waters to just ONE

Lolly assures me that the last point is crucial. This would make the policy a resounding success - far better than was achieved throughout virtually all of Howard's Pacific Solution years! He assures me that ONE boat instead of 100 would be a huge reduction in the asylum seeker problem. I commend this plan to the Prime Minister for her urgent consideration.

Yours,
Gist

PS. For all further correspondence please contact lolly@ozpolitic.com

You should be proud ol' mate!

7 boats a year (just the same as the pacific solution) will do just fine compared to 134 boats a year under labor.

That policy you created has you (daft) written all over it, not me.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #53 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:23pm Deport an equal number of ideological atheists for each asylum seeker we grant refuge - now thats a fair swap, a green communist pig for a refugee.
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #54 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:23pm progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:19pm: That policy you created has you (daft) written all over it, not me. Oh, don't be shy like that. You scheme is brilliant! ONE boat would cut the numbers to ONE SEVENTH what Howard was able to manage. Sheer brilliance!
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #55 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:25pm

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

That policy you created has you (daft) written all over it, not me.

Oh, don't be shy like that. You scheme is brilliant! ONE boat would cut the numbers to ONE SEVENTH what Howard was able to manage. Sheer brilliance!

Self promotion still does not make your policy any better.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58617 Here Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #56 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:33pm Why not stop the boats, Tnoy? Imagine this arse could be PM.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #57 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:37pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:33pm: Why not stop the boats, Tnoy? Imagine this arse could be PM. You are going to love it, I know I will lol.
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #58 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:38pm The Greens and Gillard have a mantra - C00ns and refos before working class Aussies...
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #59 - Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:49pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:25pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

That policy you created has you (daft) written all over it, not me.

Oh, don't be shy like that. You scheme is brilliant! ONE boat would cut the numbers to ONE SEVENTH what Howard was able to manage. Sheer brilliance!

Self promotion still does not make your policy any better.

I see you're self-effacing to a fault but it wasn't my policy. I have to admit I was addled by numbers of people. It took a refreshing shower a little while ago to wake me up to your brilliance - numbers of people is stupid! Who cares about that? Cut the number of boats - that's all that counts!!

I've heard that Gillard has already asked that your plan be forwarded on to Angus Houston. Don't be surprised if it's the centrepiece of their recommendations in a few weeks time. With proper planning they could charter one of the cruise ships to do a sweep of the Indian Ocean during their regular passage here for the cruise season. Easy peasy!

You could get a gong next Australia Day!! Shocked

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Question: Why has Abbott voted against stopping the boats.
Concern for asylum seekers 2 (8.3%) Political advantage 18 (75.0%) Other 4 (16.7%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: MOTR on: Jun 29^th, 2012 at 3:23am »